Zig Quits GitHub, Says Microsoft's AI Obsession Has Ruined the Service
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- News link: https://slashdot.org/story/25/12/03/070228/zig-quits-github-says-microsofts-ai-obsession-has-ruined-the-service
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> The drama began in April 2025 when GitHub user AlekseiNikiforovIBM started a thread titled "safe_sleep.sh rarely hangs indefinitely." GitHub addressed the problem in August, but didn't reveal that in the thread, which remained open until Monday. That timing appears notable. Last week, Andrew Kelly, president and lead developer of the Zig Software Foundation, [2]announced that the Zig project is moving to Codeberg, a non-profit git hosting service, because GitHub no longer demonstrates commitment to engineering excellence.
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> One piece of evidence he offered for that assessment was the "safe_sleep.sh rarely hangs indefinitely" thread. "Most importantly, Actions has [3]inexcusable bugs while being [4]completely neglected ," Kelly wrote. "After the CEO of GitHub said to ' [5]embrace AI or get out ', it seems the lackeys at Microsoft took the hint, because GitHub Actions started 'vibe-scheduling' -- choosing jobs to run seemingly at random. Combined with other bugs and inability to manually intervene, this causes our CI system to get so backed up that not even master branch commits get checked."
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/02/zig_quits_github_microsoft_ai_obsession/?td=rt-3a
[2] https://ziglang.org/news/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg/
[3] https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3182746514
[4] https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/385
[5] https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8
Microsoft has a serious culture problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft has a serious culture problem, they'd better address right now or they are going to become Boeing.
They see to think nobody can live without them a jaw dropping bugs in commercial products they charge enterprises a lot of money for licenses are ok to go live with.
where is the QA - I mean goodness the 'password' entry button was missing on Windows 11 last week, and the advice was "just click where it should be"
WTF? - Where is the QA testing? Just because all the Tests pass in the CI/CD pipe does not mean you are ready to ship without someone actually trying to 'use the software'
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On the bright side, if the GitHub Action documentation has glaring holes, you are sometimes permitted to fix it yourself.
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All true, but it should be added this isn't a recent thing.
Oh, the AI buzz is recent, but MS has had quality control problems in flagship software for decades. How many control panels are there? How many "kinda" work? How many versions are we going on with that kind of nonsense? And instead of fixing this, they focus on AI and...notepad...for some fucking reason.
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Looks like the issue was restricted to Insider users:
[1]https://www.tomshardware.com/s... [tomshardware.com]
I can blame Microsoft for all the other bugs in Windows 11 that hit the mainstream channel, but for this one, if you sign up to try beta versions (aka Insider channel), don't complain there will be bugs.
[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-update-makes-sign-in-password-icon-invisible-microsoft-says-you-can-still-click-on-empty-space-to-enter-your-password
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They've had this "culture problem" for decades ... but monopolies can save you from a lot of "culture problems".
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Everyone I know who's very knowledgeable at Microsoft works on core Azure OR they are research fellows. Everyone else left.
BUUUUUT as a side note, who's using Zig? Uber and TigerBeetle - the latter is interesting, but does anyone actually have "live" products with it? (I read this HN thread about it but it sounds like their big "title" user basically never went live and dropped it.)
What about slashdot? (Score:1)
How come I get randomly logged out? Why does the notifications icon randomly not send me to the notifications page (sometimes I press on it dozens of times and it does nothing)? Why does the refresh button not even appear when coming back to the front page after a pause? Is slashdot using vibe coding, or do I just blame this on human slop?
Re: What about slashdot? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think slashdot has had any actual developers working on its since the early 2000s. It's a mature legacy codebase, destined to run as-is until it can't anymore, then go away.
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All we have to do is convert Slashdot to Wordpress host! Easy fix!
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[1]rehash [github.com] is a fork of Slash that is still actively maintained.
[1] https://github.com/SoylentNews/rehash
Re: What about slashdot? (Score:2)
What about slashdot?
Maybe I should make a post complaining about the quality of a site completely unrelated to GitHub or anything else in the featured article. I could use the same tenuous relationship to the topic at hand that you did.
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Erm,do you realize on which site the featured article is featured ?
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i.e. If I posted a comment complaining about speeling mitsakes and my post was full of speeling mitsakes, most people would think that worth noting.
Re: What about slashdot? (Score:1)
Can AI fix slashdot's random bugs?
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lolz, good luck getting the code that runs the site now. Slashcode's last commit was 17 years ago
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> Maybe I should make a post complaining about the quality of a site completely unrelated to GitHub or anything else in the featured article. I could use the same tenuous relationship to the topic at hand that you did.
You basically have to. It's not like there are any regularly posted community governance threads or anything like that.
arrogant (Score:1)
I read the Business Insider article. Dohmke is an arrogant bastard, without doubt parroting the M$ Mafia godfathers. He's demanding suicide from devs and infantile servitude from usrland. Who would risk their time/money/sanity with such a sociopath? Whenever Linux infuriates my meager talents I just think about the M$ option ... and laugh.
copilot infection everywhere (Score:1)
At work copilot spies on all the the work the PC and laptop do, bogging them down and offering bizzare avant garde prose.
"Use ai for everything" said the new CIO, and within two months the email, documentation, meeting agendas, plans became vague AI spew without meaning. The over a million customers started complaining about the ai hallucinations offered up by the helpdesk.
Good times. I'll probably leave.
It can't get any worse (Score:2)
"Microsoft's ... declining engineering quality". Not so. Their engineering quality cannot decline. It has always been at minus infinity.
AI Shittification (Score:2)
While there is nothing inherently bad with the computer science, "AI" as deployed, only benefits billionaires.
Zig (Score:3)
This is the first I've even heard of Zig. Has anyone here used it before?
Looks like they've Moved 'ZIG." (Score:2)
For great justice.
Everything MS touches turns to sh*t (Score:1)
This doesn't surprise me. MS ruins a lot of good things.