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'The Strange and Totally Real Plan to Blot Out the Sun and Reverse Global Warming' (politico.com)

(Saturday November 22, 2025 @09:35PM (EditorDavid) from the giant-geoengineering dept.)


In a 2023 pitch to investors, a "well-financed, highly credentialed" startup named Stardust aimed for a "gradual temperature reduction demonstration" in 2027, [1]according to a massive new 9,600-word article from Politico . ("Annually dispersing ~1 million tons of sun-reflecting particles," says one slide. "Equivalent to ~1% extra cloud coverage.")

"Another page told potential investors Stardust had already run low-altitude experiments using 'test particles'," the article notes:

> [P]ublic records and interviews with more than three dozen scientists, investors, legal experts and others familiar with the company reveal an organization advancing rapidly to the brink of being able to press "go" on its planet-cooling plans. Meanwhile, Stardust is seeking U.S. government contracts and quietly building an influence machine in Washington to lobby lawmakers and officials in the Trump administration on the need for a regulatory framework that it says is necessary to gain public approval for full-scale deployment....

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> The presentation also included revenue projections and a series of opportunities for venture capitalists to recoup their investments. Stardust planned to sign "government contracts," said a slide with the company's logo next to an American flag, and consider a "potential acquisition" by 2028. By 2030, the deck foresaw a "large-scale demonstration" of Stardust's system. At that point, the company claimed it would already be bringing in $200 million per year from its government contracts and eyeing an initial public offering, if it hadn't been sold already.

The article notes that for "a widening circle of researchers and government officials, Stardust's perceived failures to be transparent about its work and technology have triggered a larger conversation about what kind of international governance framework will be needed to regulate a new generation of climate technologies." (Since currently Stardust and its backers "have no legal obligations to adhere to strenuous safety principles or to submit themselves to the public view.")

In October Politico spoke to Stardust CEO, Yanai Yedvab, a former nuclear physicist who was once deputy chief scientist at the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission. Stardust "was ready to announce the $60 million it had raised from 13 new investors," the article points out, " [2]far larger than any previous investment in solar geoengineering."

> [Yedvab] was delighted, he said, not by the money, but what it meant for the project. "We are, like, few years away from having the technology ready to a level that decisions can be taken" — meaning that deployment was still on track to potentially begin on the timeline laid out in the 2023 pitch deck. The money raised was enough to start "outdoor contained experiments" as soon as April, Yedvab said. These would test how their particles performed inside a plane flying at stratospheric heights, some 11 miles above the Earth's surface... The key thing, he insisted, was the particle was "safe." It would not damage the ozone layer and, when the particles fall back to Earth, they could be absorbed back into the biosphere, he said. Though it's impossible to know this is true until the company releases its formula. Yedvab said this round of testing would make Stardust's technology ready to begin a staged process of full-scale, global deployment before the decade is over — as long as the company can secure a government client. To start, they would only try to stabilize global temperatures — in other words fly enough particles into the sky to counteract the steady rise in greenhouse gas levels — which would initially take a fleet of 100 planes.

This begs the question: should the world attempt solar geoengineering?

> That the global temperature would drop is not in question. Britain's Royal Society... said in a report issued in early November that there was little doubt it would be effective. They did not endorse its use, but said that, given the growing interest in this field, there was good reason to be better informed about the side effects... [T]hat doesn't mean it can't have broad benefits when weighed against deleterious climate change, according to Ben Kravitz, a professor of earth and atmospheric sciences at Indiana University who has closely studied the potential effects of solar geoengineering. "There would be some winners and some losers. But in general, some amount of ... stratospheric aerosol injection would likely benefit a whole lot of people, probably most people," he said. Other scientists are far more cautious. The Royal Society report listed a range of potential negative side effects that climate models had displayed, including drought in sub-Saharan Africa. In accompanying documents, it also warned of more intense hurricanes in the North Atlantic and winter droughts in the Mediterranean. But the picture remains partial, meaning there is no way yet to have an informed debate over how useful or not solar geoengineering could be...

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> And then there's the problem of trying to stop. Because an abrupt end to geoengineering, with all the carbon still in the atmosphere, would cause the temperature to soar suddenly upward with unknown, but likely disastrous, effects... Once the technology is deployed, the entire world would be dependent on it for however long it takes to reduce the trillion or more tons of excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to a safe level...

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> Stardust claims to have solved many technical and safety challenges, especially related to the environmental impacts of the particle, which they say would not harm nature or people. But researchers say the company's current lack of transparency makes it impossible to trust.

Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader [3]fjo3 for sharing the article.



[1] https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/11/21/stardust-geoengineering-janos-pasztor-regulations-00646414?nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nname=playbook&nrid=00000157-90cc-d19a-afd7-fbff07390002

[2] https://srm360.org/funding-tracker/

[3] https://www.slashdot.org/~fjo3



Stop now (Score:3)

by DrMrLordX ( 559371 )

No. Just no.

Re:Stop now [and just give up] (Score:2)

by shanen ( 462549 )

Actually that's my initial reaction, too, but I do think there might be some kind of solution. On third thought I'm sure this is not it, but...

If (and that's actually a huge IF ) we were able to model the atmosphere well enough, then I think we might be able to intervene in a sane way. My own favorite fantasy solution would be large arrays of orbital mirrors rotated as needed to control the solar energy reaching the earth. Take a bit off the sides here, add some extra crops there...

Time for a joke? We could

Re: (Score:2)

by ndsurvivor ( 891239 )

Solar sails is my possible solution, thousands of them 1km square. Bonus if they pass light that is beneficial to plants, and reflect the rest. As far as putting more particulates into the atmosphere, no, just no.

Re: (Score:2)

by DrMrLordX ( 559371 )

At least you can get rid of the solar sails once you don't need them anymore . . .

Re: (Score:2)

by DrMrLordX ( 559371 )

Assuming we don't kill one another in a massive war, odds are looking good for nuclear fusion to take over, destroying most of the existing energy market (including fossil fuel providers). That much cheap power would give us better ways of handling atmospheric CO2 levels.

Re: (Score:2)

by TooTechy ( 191509 )

What could possibly go wrong?

Re: (Score:1)

by easyTree ( 1042254 )

Pretty much everything....

Re: Stop now (Score:4, Funny)

by SeaFox ( 739806 )

If we do this we can get ahead of the Machines before they develop enough smarts to realize humans can be used as biological batteries to power their AI collective.

Dinosaurs (Score:2)

by BenBoy ( 615230 )

The final episode of Dinosaurs was so darned depressing ... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changing_Nature

This is not a job for a corporation to do (Score:2)

by Morromist ( 1207276 )

Uh, even if we wanted to do this why would we contract some random company to do it?

Companies fail, they don't have to be transparent, their leaders are rarely, if ever, responsible for any damage their companies do to people's lives, their primary responsibility is to give value to their shareholders, not do anything good or useful.

They are often led by low-intellegence, money-obsessed sociopaths who aren't actually interested in whatever their company actually does, but rather are entirely interes

Re: (Score:2)

by Shugart ( 598491 )

Governments rarely do anything themselves. They usually hire private corporations. I don't see that a government is any more trustworthy than the companies they hire.

Re: (Score:2)

by Morromist ( 1207276 )

"They usually hire private corporations" - they've only been doing that in modern times. Its a bit of a feedback cycle - people who worship the libertarian version of captialism get voted in, cripple the goverment and farm out its work to incompetant companies - then when the shitty companies fail to do good work they blame it on the goverment. These morons are the same people who get mad about how expensive the stuff the military buys is, but also are perfectly happy that we make the military get all its s

Re: (Score:2)

by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 )

> Uh, even if we wanted to do this why would we contract some random company to do it?

> Companies fail, they don't have to be transparent, their leaders are rarely, if ever, responsible for any damage their companies do to people's lives, their primary responsibility is to give value to their shareholders, not do anything good or useful.

Why have we continued to feed all the "random companies" that got us into this mess in the first place? For example, the oil companies knew in the 50's that we would end up where we are now, and created models in the 60's that were still usably accurate into the twenty-teens. They gaslit the world - appropriate pun intended - and they continue to do so. But we still keep buying from them and they are still incredibly rich.

The weaknesses of corporatism are never examined too seriously by the people whose bey

Its going to happen whether we want it to or not (Score:2, Interesting)

by BrightCandle ( 636365 )

The failure of successive COPs to agree to get rid of fossil fuels means that this is going to become necessary. It is going to happen whether we like it or not as their are countries that will benefit from doing it. There is no requirement for the rest of the world to agree to it. It is going to happen, the experiments are clearly already happening.

Re: (Score:1)

by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 )

Nobody will benefit from a half-baked fantasy sponsored by a few lucky imbeciles, who got rich because they successfully lobbied for tax cuts and subsidies from the rest of us and blocked the COP process in the first place.

And the rest of the world may very well respond directly to the ecological threats of trumpism, if its unabashed cretinism continues for too long.

Re: (Score:1)

by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) *

> The failure of successive COPs to agree to get rid of fossil fuels means that this is going to become necessary

Nobody believes this anymore.

Global temperatures are cyclical and the current trend is very close to the normal periodic cycle. All the "models" have failed. Sure, 95% of "Climate Scientists" believe their funding should continue but the jig is up.

If they actually attempt to blot out the sun there is no limit to what normal thinking people will do to stop them.

Fortunately they are very unlik

Re: (Score:3)

by ZipNada ( 10152669 )

> he current trend is very close to the normal periodic cycle

Utter bullshit.

Re: Its going to happen whether we want it to or n (Score:2)

by bloodstar ( 866306 )

You literally have no idea what you're talking about If nothing else. Where is the excess energy from the energy budget imbalance going besides into heating the planet? At least make a real effort to get basic knowledge about the earth system before making remarks. Your ignorance is not useful.

What could go wrong? (Score:2)

by GuyRiley ( 836754 )

Isn't this literally the plot of Snowpiercer? I don't think we have the global rail network in place to support what's left of humanity after this fails.

Ummmm.... No? (Score:1)

by Anonymous Coward

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd-OBwjTq5A

Does this plan even sound right? (Score:2)

by LondoMollari ( 172563 )

So we are going to solve pollution's effects by releasing more pollution?

Re: (Score:2)

by algaeman ( 600564 )

I'm sure a 1% decrease in global sunlight will have any downstream effects on PV power or agriculture.

Well ... (Score:1)

by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 )

... it would certainly put the hyperventilation industry out of business, to just ... you know ... cool things off a bit.

We can't have that !!

The Simpsons did it again! (Score:2)

by FallOutBoyTonto ( 6835322 )

So Mr. Burns was right all along?

Re: (Score:2, Informative)

by Anonymous Coward

The website you've linked to was created by the Heartland Institute. It's a very upstanding conservative think tank that, in the 1990s, attempted to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and lobbied against smoking bans. In the 2000s they refocused on denying climate change.

The funny thing is that if you google for climateataglance, your fun website comes up as the first hit. The second hit is the page "Climate at a Glance" from the NOAA. I'm sure the similar names are a pure coincidence.

Sounds lik

Band-aids for burn victims. (Score:2)

by Inoshiro ( 71693 )

So, we could use the renewable/carbon neutral (or negative) path .... OR .... not, but with lots of extra steps and no guarantee of success?

"And then there's the problem of trying to stop. Because an abrupt end to geoengineering, with all the carbon still in the atmosphere, would cause the temperature to soar suddenly upward with unknown, but likely disastrous, effects... "

Just have an end to fossil-fuel use, you fucking idiots! That's a tractable challenge. That's something we have decades of ex

What could possibly go wrong (Score:2)

by viperidaenz ( 2515578 )

Let's just distribute 1 million tons of microplastics into the atmosphere.

Great name (Score:2)

by kencurry ( 471519 )

For a Bond villain. Who will star? Daniel Craig we need you back.

This is going to be in rain, air, eventually earth (Score:1)

by Anonymous Coward

So they're spreading this shit and it's going to end up in our lungs, in our water, in our earth, in animals, everywhere? And they're not releasing their formula? What the fuck?

Oops! wow this didn't go as planned! (Score:2)

by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 )

Here comes the new Ice Age! Coming Soon! the new Fight the Ice Conference FIC26, we need to pick some beautiful exotic place to bulldoze for a 5 star resort.

You only get one vote out of 9 billion (Score:3)

by RobinH ( 124750 )

I read the fiction novel Termination Shock a few years ago and it was about this kind of solar engineering. The premise of the book is pretty solid: it's surprisingly cheap to do this, and there's no international organization to oversee it, and in fact we've been dismantling or at least weakening the rules based global order for a decade or more. Some country or organization somewhere is going to calculate that doing this will be a net benefit to themselves, and will just start doing it. Heck we *were* doing it inadvertently with ship emissions, and when we stopped [1]it created a termination shock of its own [noaa.gov]. There's no way that this won't happen, and then it's going to open the floodgates on geoengineering. Only *then* will we get enough countries together to make some international agreements.

[1] https://cpo.noaa.gov/unintended-warming-how-reduced-ship-emissions-may-accelerate-climate-change/

This has already been tried (Score:2)

by evanh ( 627108 )

Accidentally, it happened post-WW2 due to smog cover over lots of the northern hemisphere creating a mini-cold period in the 1950s/60s. It was a disaster for Africa.

AD 536 (Score:2)

by Dan East ( 318230 )

Bad idea. We're just [1]a few volcanic eruptions away [wikipedia.org] from wanting all the sunshine we can get.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536

Re: (Score:2)

by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )

Not to mention nuclear winters. I was expecting that link to mention Mt Pinatubo which happened in the 90s and lowered temps by 1F or so. I agree it's a bad idea but it's good to have a backup plan anyway.

Re: (Score:1)

by iggymanz ( 596061 )

So we just need a properly measured amount of nuclear winter; nuclear winter lite (TM), got it.

Good news, we have centuries of supply for such a thing.

Re: (Score:2)

by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )

Sure. Climate change and nuclear war are the 2 biggest threats so it's good to know we can survive both if we time it right.

Re: (Score:1)

by Tablizer ( 95088 )

This is why techniques with an UNDO button are preferred. Adding mist-generators to cargo ships thus may be a preferred way to add shade (via clouds).

Anyone know how long the dust in TFA lingers?

These plans aren't really meant to go anywhere (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

They exist to present to the public as a viable alternative to renewables and transitioning to renewable energy resources in general.

It lets you tell the public that the scientists will figure it all out so they don't need to make any changes to the way we do things today.

It's the exact same scam plastic recycling turned out to be and for the exact same reason.

The Matrix (Score:1)

by TimelordQ ( 8197200 )

Why does this seem like it's a plot straight out of the first "Matrix" movie?

Re: (Score:2)

by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )

That movie's plot is looking better to me every day. Oh, the AIs are going to feed us and give us a 90's era VR sim? Sign me up for that future. Seriously.

\o/ (Score:1)

by easyTree ( 1042254 )

This is taking painkillers after you've stabbed yourself in the face for no reason.

Re: (Score:1)

by iggymanz ( 596061 )

I can confirm over longer time periods it feels so good when I stop.

And the CO2 acidifying the ocean (Score:1)

by DickHodgman ( 265853 )

Is not addressed at all by this. That is a major problem caused by climate change.

dumb (Score:1)

by Venova ( 6474140 )

microplastics anyone?

set the controls to the heart of the sun (Score:1)

by DoubleJ1024 ( 1287512 )

See subject line........

Ask Perplexity (Score:2)

by ZipNada ( 10152669 )

I asked Perplexity what this mysterious particle is that they would release.

"the company indicates that it is made from naturally occurring ingredients and claims it to be environmentally safe, not damaging the ozone layer, and absorbable back into the biosphere after falling to Earth."

And then how the particles would be put in place;

"uses high-altitude balloon payloads as its primary release technology, deploying specialized containers that disperse the reflective particles into the stratosphere. These con

All board SnowPiercer while you can! (Score:2)

by thesjaakspoiler ( 4782965 )

We'll be riding around the planet for the next 4 decades!

There's only one solution (Score:2)

by Baron_Yam ( 643147 )

1) Produce an excess of energy using methods that do not release CO2

2) Use the excess energy to sequester atmospheric CO2

3) Repeat until atmospheric CO2 levels are at pre-industrial levels

There are no shortcuts. If you skip step one and attempt step two, you have a net increase in CO2 release. If you avoid this whole plan by adjusting insolation, you get a break on the temperature while we inevitably ignore the continually increasing CO2 and all the other issues it brings, and you make us dependent on mai

Nuclear industry bullshit (Score:2)

by sonoronos ( 610381 )

Reduce the effectiveness of solar panels by reducing global insolation. All you have to do is fuck up the planet just enough to close the gap making the perceived costs of going nuclear unpopular.

This will work (Score:1)

by sirv ( 4898197 )

We are saved. And I really was hoping that the most aggressive pervasive expansive violent psychopathic species in this arm of the galaxy would perish.

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