Microsoft Finally Admits Almost All Major Windows 11 Core Features Are Broken
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/11/21/1912228/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-major-windows-11-core-features-are-broken
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The problems stem from XAML component issues that affect updates beginning with July's Patch Tuesday release (KB5062553). The failures occur during first-time user logins after cumulative updates are applied and on non-persistent OS installations like virtual desktop infrastructure setups. Microsoft lists Explorer.exe crashes, shellhost.exe crashes, StartMenuExperienceHost failures and System Settings that silently refuse to launch among the symptoms. The company provided PowerShell commands and batch scripts as temporary workarounds that re-register the affected packages. Both Windows 11 versions 24H2 and 25H2 share the same codebase and are affected. Microsoft said it is working on a fix but did not provide a timeline.
[1] https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-major-windows-11-core-features-are-broken/
XAML and TSWIPM (Score:1)
The problems stem from XAML issues produced by TSWIPM (Totally Shoddy Work by Incompetent Programmers and Management).
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> The problems stem from XAML issues produced by TSWIPM (Totally Shoddy Work by Incompetent Programmers and Management).
Haha, only serious.
At it's root, it's a fundamentally stupid design choice. The Start Menu, Explorer, Settings and a few other critical parts of the OS have been written so they're basically Microsoft Store apps. They're modular, and they're therefore much more susceptible to being damaged.
The number of times I've had a customer who's got a Start Menu that just doesn't open, or Settings won't open, or similar behavior should be zero, but isn't. These high-visibility, high-criticality parts of the OS
Re: XAML and TSWIPM (Score:1)
What if the engineers who implemented the flawed design said "take this job and shove it", knowing they had a strong inflation-proofed basic income to fall back on and program better things they actually wanted to use?
Re: XAML and TSWIPM (Score:2)
Any MS UI designers and devs who gave a damn about efficient human interfaces left during the development of Win8 IMO. Things got slightly better with Win10 but It's been mainly downhill since then. The kind of UI fuckups and fundamental design flaws MS keep making would get any college CS student an F grade.
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And the ongoing implementation of misfeatures that just add instability to the OS. These "StartMenuExperienceHost" failures? WTH is the start menu ' experience ' and why would I want it? Just give me the fscking Start Menu and have it do what its name implies without any bells and whistles; if I wanted some AI-curated selection of what the system thinks I want to do, I could just dump a pile of fewmets on my keyboard and get the 'experience' directly.
Windows is NOT a professional operating system. (Score:4, Interesting)
Time and time again, three things keep constantly get proven:
1. Windows is a joke operating system for some weird end-game.
2. Microsoft's tools aren't meant for professional use.
3. Microsoft doesn't care, and isn't accountable to anyone.
I don't think Windows 11 has ever worked, I've faced unusual problems with it since the release, continuously. Add on to that constant reports of major degradation / feature breaks, and what are we left to assume? If something in Windows breaks, Microsoft will rarely admit it, throw blame like it's a contest, and then blame the user base, and everyone else. I've made this claim before, in multi-forms, and here again, the issue started in July, and it's November before they take any accountability?
When I say (paraphrased): “Professionals don't use Windows.”, this is why, you can't use it. It's either broken, breaking, frozen, stalled, disabled, unusable, or moving between one of those states. When you run into an issue, have you tried to get support? The support is so poor, that it's again some weird end-game to prove something, but what? The support isn't less than ideal, it's almost inspiring in its incompetence.
What was point 2? Have you tried using MS Office? I have a constant problem where my key buffer is delayed by seconds. This means I press “A”, it will take 1+ seconds to show up. I have demoed this issue to our CSM, and “support” only to be told it's my system. When I pushed back, and they asked for reports about my internet stability, front door server locations, and other points. I ran their support tooling, all the reports came back with I green star? They were excellent, and what did Microsoft do? Blame my system. In that email thread, on that message, they said (paraphrased): “Just use LibreOffice.”, what? Microsoft can't even keep up the lies, they admit their offerings are sub-par.
I'll wrap it up, I could go on about other tools, other platforms, portals, management, support, it's all crap.
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Quite true. Unfortunately, MS crap is also a really good example for a market failure.
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Invisible Hand Man has had his eyes closed for 35 years.
They always try to shift blame (Score:1)
When you contact MS support, they always say they can't reproduce the problem and it must be some third party software, so you need to reinstall Windows and start from scratch with no add-on software to maybe get rid of the problem. What do they think an OS is for if you can't run additional software on it?
At least this time they're admitting fault... but I don't have high hopes that they can fix anything. They always seem to start rebuilding significant portions of the OS with every new version. I don't th
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I have the issue where not every mouse click is recognized. On anything. Web page, form, MS Office software, third-party software, Windows itself, text field, you name it. I'll click somewhere, the mouse directly on what needs selected, and nothing happens. I have to click again to do what I want.
I first noticed it in W10 and it has continued to W11.
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How do you know your mouse isn't faulty?
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> Time and time again, three things keep constantly get proven: [...] 2. Microsoft's tools aren't meant for professional use. [...]
Microsoft frequency sucks ass -- and lately, is sucking both cheeks -- but this is nonsensical gibberish.
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No it's not, I can't think of a tool that is good enough, from Microsoft, in 2025, that I would feel confident in trusting from a security, stability or usable prospective. Their best tools might get a tarnished aluminum foil award, and that would be a stretch.
Thanks for the push to Linux (Score:2)
It's stuff like this that really should be pushing users to use Linux as a desktop. Since much of the choice is made by businesses who are sort of held hostage by legacy installs/infrastructure, I don't expect to see as large of an uptick as we really should, but I do hope some will kick Windows out and go for Linux ... or even Mac. The point is to get away from the dumpster fire like the problem described here.
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MacOS has its own barriers to calling itself a professional operating system. A good part of my job is forcing it to conform to basic enterprise system management practices.
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I think the problem is that you're expecting Windows or macOS to conform to you. Microsoft and Apple are Big Deals and users like us are just lucky they let us play in their waters.
Re: Thanks for the push to Linux (Score:2)
Microsoft designs it's products for enterprise management while Apple occasionally pays lip service to the idea. It's not expecting MS to confirm to your own personal expectations, it's expecting Apple to conform to business expectations.
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The problem is that the great majority of users have no idea that Linux exists or how to install it. They buy a computer with Windows installed because that is what the store sells, and they use it because that is all they know.
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For home users, you're generally correct. There are a few who switch at home, but it won't be many.
My biggest surprise is how few businesses switch and I know the IT people have to have heard of Linux since there's a good chance they have Linux servers (minus the MS only shops). I've always heard it's the lack of a good substitute for Active Directory and IT's general lack of experience with Linux as a desktop that keeps them hostage. Then there is the C-Suite who only knows MS-Office and think nothing else
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Near as I can tell (I'm a Mac user), MS keeps business people on it by integrating their apps together. This is a godsend to the C-Suite who have other things to dork around with than their computer. Office contains just about anything they want to use. They do not know anything else and they do not want to know anything else.
I periodically have runins with Office on a Mac because the management really likes bullet points and needs to lift them from our docs lest they be forced to think for themselves. Thei
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I have seen more coworkers using Macs as Windows specific requirements have slowly disappeared. I asked someone in IT about the cost difference. Macs cost more but they generally require less maintenance. For example these core Windows functions being broken have generated a lot of support tickets. On the backend, more and more servers are Linux with Windows only for Microsoft specific things like Office servers, Windows AD servers, etc.
Bollycode (Score:1)
Wonder if this has anything to do with recent Microsoft press releases looking like the cast-list of [1]a Bollywood movie [wikipedia.org]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shart_(1986_film)
Shouldn't these things be relatively stable? (Score:2)
Why are they constantly updating the taskbar, file manager, start menu, etc. What features were they trying to even add?
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> What features were they trying to even add?
Agentic clippy needs to be able to be able to use all features of your PC not just access all data.
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They need to be able to push Advertisements to each of them. plus they need to enable all the things we turn off to maintain privacy and control bloat.
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Spying, I mean AI assistance needs to be added. How else can they sell your data—er, help you with computing tasks?
Re: Shouldn't these things be relatively stable? (Score:2)
Are you kidding? It's because retarded customers will bitch if they upgrade and it doesn't look different while acting completely the same. To these mental midges, the change to the Start menu IS the upgrade.
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Those dummies could be satisfied with a minor reskin. Completely trashing it and making it far less useful and user friendly is a deeper rot.
Focus on designing an OS ... (Score:4, Insightful)
STOP forcing AI, cloud, and spyware as part of the OS or core software like Office. They're fine as optional add-ons for people who actually want this stuff.
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Microsoft stopped caring about it's OS as an OS a loooooooooong time ago. Now it just looks at it as a means to squeeze as much money (either directly or indirectly) out of its users. Problem is, they can't immediately start charging people for the more obvious stuff - they need to put little things in there for which they can charge, such as... oh, say, access to your own data stored in the *cough* safety *cough* of the cloud. Those handy AI features, will of course eventually get integrated in *cough* hel
Re: Focus on designing an OS ... (Score:1)
As a vegetarian constantly subjected to endless meat ads, do I feel your pain?
Windows 11 is the most user hostile software (Score:2)
I have ever seen in my life.
Like llms and AI in general it's not for you. It's designed to benefit Microsoft and specifically a handful of the billionaire shareholders at the expense of literally everyone else that ever comes in contact with it.
I have set up before but I really wish Linux would just pick a distro and a package manager to make the standard.
It's too much for users and managerial types to wrap their heads around. As stupid as it sounds you can't just move icons around and not cause
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The funny thing is, when some entity (Redhat maybe?) does start to create a one true version of Linux, the sharks move in and start subverting it.
I'm beginning to think that Linus Torvalds greatest contribution isn't creating Linux, but in defending it and fending off those who would distort and corrupt it.
Richard Stallman deserves credit too, for creating the GPL which Torvalds uses. A lot of people don't like the GPL, and I can understand how it sometimes gets in the way, but we need it.
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Slackware is the one true version of Linux. :)
Re: Windows 11 is the most user hostile software (Score:2)
We don't need the GPL. We just need coreutils. There are MIT versions of those tools.
Re: Windows 11 is the most user hostile software (Score:1)
Windows Vista was probably still worse. It could take 14 days to delete a file.
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> I have set up before but I really wish Linux would just pick a distro and a package manager to make the standard.
I agree, but as soon as they pick a distro then the flame wars start about how "I don't like that one" ... sigh. We really need a BDfL in charge of the whole thing, but that's not going to happen at this late in time (it would have had to have happened back in the 90's).
At the very least, we do need to pick 1 package manager format and everyone move to that. To make everyone happy, probably best to make something new [insert xkcd link about standards here]. But it seems we can't even agree on a standard pac
And yet... (Score:5, Insightful)
...the advertising and telemetry/data-slurping functions continue to work perfectly.
Are we still talking about Microsoft Windows? (Score:2)
That company's been talked about for years. Are people still talking about Windows? That POS? That is unbelievable.
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C'mon, Microsoft -- you had ONE JOB!
Words fail me here. A company whose core business is an operating system for a single user personal computer, and has had 30 years to perfect it, can't update it without significantly breaking it?
Maybe they should explore other occupations...
Features? How about losing the bottom bar? (Score:2)
A Windows 11 VM that I manage went through an update cycle and, when it was finally finished, the bottom bar was missing.
Like just about all Windows issues, I had to spend a long time googling solutions and trying them, before I eventually landed on the correct solution. I tend to avoid those tiresome Youtube videos that take 10 minutes to tell you that: 1. Their solution is simple and will work, 2, don't forget to subscribe, while failing to acknowledge that there might be other causes for the failure that
Re: Features? How about losing the bottom bar? (Score:2)
Video is the absolute worst way to describe how to fix a software issue.
It's a feature, not a bug (Score:2)
It's broken by design. This was intentional. Misguided, but intentional.
AI (Score:3)
How much of their coding is done by AI?
[1]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/2... [cnbc.com]
[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/satya-nadella-says-as-much-as-30percent-of-microsoft-code-is-written-by-ai.html
Re: AI (Score:2)
Why does it matter? Microsoftâ(TM)s code was buggy garbage long before they implemented vibe coding. If the entire OS was rewritten by a buggy AI nobody would be able to tell the difference.
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Indeed. Windows and MS Office are a disgrace to the whole human race. No product on that level should ever have long-term economic success.
Re: AI (Score:1)
Why conflate economic and engineering efficiency? Do economists exploit the homonym to imply that economic efficiency is equivalent to engineering efficiency, hoping that no one notices the glaringly obvious divergence?
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How do you define economic efficiency and engineering efficiency? I'm genuinely curious. Is financial success automatically economic efficiency? Maybe in Micro-Economics it would be, but it seems to me a 'successful' but poorly performing product would not be efficient for a Maco-Economy.
I'm not an economist so yeah, enlighten me if I'm wrong.
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Outlook is such an insult to humanity.