Man Who Cryogenically Froze Late Wife Sparks Debate By Dating New Partner (bbc.com)
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- News link: https://science.slashdot.org/story/25/11/19/0257258/man-who-cryogenically-froze-late-wife-sparks-debate-by-dating-new-partner
- Source link: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78z2m43ykjo
> As a sign of his devotion, Gui Junmin decided to freeze his wife Zhan Wenlian's body after she died from lung cancer in 2017, aged 49, making her China's first cryogenically preserved person. But after a November interview revealed he had been dating a different partner since 2020, Chinese social media has been torn on Mr Junmin's predicament. Whilst some asked why the 57-year-old didn't just "let go" another commenter remarked he appeared to be "most devoted to himself."
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> After Zhan Wenlian was given months to live by doctors, Gui Junmin decided to use cryonics - which is scientifically unproven - to preserve her body once she died. Following her death, he signed a 30-year agreement to preserve his wife's frozen body with the Shandong Yinfeng Life Science Research Institute. Since then, Zhan's body has been stored in a 2,000-litre container at the institute in a vat of -190C liquid nitrogen.
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> Chinese newspaper Southern Weekly revealed that although Mr Junmin lived alone for two years after the procedure, in 2020 he began dating again, despite his wife remaining in cryopreservation. He told the newspaper that a severe gout attack which left him unable to move for two days began to change his mind about the benefits of living alone. Soon after, he started seeing his current partner Wang Chunxia, although Mr Junmin suggested to the paper the love was only "utilitarian" and that she hadn't "entered" his heart.
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Of course he dated again (Score:2)
Her wife was giving him the cold shoulder.
He can move on, can't he? (Score:3)
Cryogenics preserved his late wife's body. It did not guarantee that she could be resuscitated. I doubt she can anyway. Even if she could, how long would he have to wait for it to be possible? Would he even live long enough to see the technology created?
In short, his wife is dead. Let him get back on the market.
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> Cryogenics preserved his late wife's body. It did not guarantee that she could be resuscitated. I doubt she can anyway. Even if she could, how long would he have to wait for it to be possible? Would he even live long enough to see the technology created?
> In short, his wife is dead. Let him get back on the market.
This. A man’s wife passed and they both agreed to essentially donate her body to science. He wont even be alive IF they can ever reverse her condition.
Her body is the experiment. Not his life. People move on all the time. That’s life.
Who cares (Score:2)
While freezing is a bizarre way to bury a corpse, this is still a corpse and there is no chance of revival, ever. The damage done by the freezing is exceptionally severe and irreversible, as there is no data on the "good" state.
Hence, who cares? Stupid people doing stupid things. This is just a stupid person with money. People with money are not smarter than average.
No one cares. (Score:1)
This is the type of article you would find in People magazine. It's not news for nerds.
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> This is the type of article you would find in People magazine. It's not news for nerds.
Indeed. And they ignored my seriously science-y submission about Hitler possibly having had a micropenis.
Some folks think its cold (Score:2)
I call it hedging your bets
Wait so she's dead *and* frozen? (Score:2)
How is that any different from the fish sticks in my fridge?
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Sliced? You buy up-market fish sticks. Hoi polloi have to make do with mechanically recovered meat bound with transglutaminase.
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One goes better with tartar sauce.
Although, admittedly, some people do like tartar sauce with their fish too...
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Spilled my coffee. A bit through my nose. Thank you
Kinda pointless due to cell damage (Score:1)
What's the point of freezing a body? The water in the cells freezes, expands, and ruptures the cell membrane. The body is effectively mush at that point. Does anyone really expect medical tech to get to the point that it can repair that kind of cell damage in every cell in the body?
'she hadn't "entered" his heart' (Score:2)
Okay, but - has he "entered" her... um, heart?
1 mental dwarf and 7 sleeping beauties? (Score:2)
Do I recall the tale correctly?
1 nasty dwarf and 7 sleeping beauties?
He is at his nr 2 at the moment...
Duality (Score:3)
I have personal experience with a very similar situation. It's a sad fact when your spouse dies that people will blame the survivor for living. That is just life. Life also does not stop when a loved one dies. A human can both mourn and deeply miss the one they lost and still have.a life with another. I can't imagine any healthy marriage where a spouse would want their significant other to stop living after they were gone. It is disrespectful for anyone else to expect it, most of whom have never even been in the situation.
Cryo-embalming (Score:3)
Humans are simply too large to cryopreserve like we do embryos. The body can't freeze fast enough and so always forms ice crystals. This destroys tissues at a cellular level. Just think what happens to a strawberry you freeze then thaw. That happens inside your organs.
The technique used in cryopreservation involves replacing the blood with an antifreeze compound. The stuff is toxic and will destroy cells even if the ice doesn't get them. This is more like embalming or pickling than preserving.
The cryopreservation process has to be done after death. If you do it to a living person, it's murder. You can't reanimate a corpse, especially not one that's been pickled.
When frozen, a corpse has yet another reason it can't heal damage done to it. Temperature doesn't affect the decay of radioactive isotopes inside a body. The radioactive carbon and potassium alone would subject a body to LD50 doses of radiation inside of a decade.
Cryopreservation is about preserving a corpse as a death ritual and not a legitimate attempt to preserve a life. It should be viewed more akin to ancient Egyptian mummification than a medical procedure. And it has exactly the same chance of resulting in a reanimated corpse as following the Book of The Dead.
Seems pretty cold (Score:2)
Debate? I dunno how much debate there can be.
It seems pretty cold to me!
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> Debate? I dunno how much debate there can be.
> It seems pretty cold to me!
I see what you did there. Cold blooded move.