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Reddit Cofounder Had a Bad Feeling About Giving Data To Sam Altman

(Thursday November 13, 2025 @11:51AM (msmash) from the blast-from-the-past dept.)


Reddit cofounder Alexis Ohanian said he had serious [1]doubts a decade ago about sharing the platform's data with Sam Altman . Ohanian recounted on the "Brew Markets" podcast that between 2015 and 2016, Altman asked Reddit to let him "aggressively scrape" the site's content. Altman had recently helped Reddit raise $50 million in a Series B round and was launching OpenAI as a nonprofit.

Ohanian described Altman as "very smart" and "incredibly cunning" but questioned whether he was "the most philanthropically minded guy." The Reddit cofounder said he "felt in my bones" the company should refuse the request and debated internally about it against Steve Huffman. Ohanian said he "lost that debate." Reddit and OpenAI [2]announced a formal licensing deal in 2024 .



[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/alexis-ohanian-sam-altman-open-ai-reddit-data-2025-11

[2] https://slashdot.org/story/24/05/17/2055218/openai-strikes-reddit-deal-to-train-its-ai-on-your-posts



Remember he doesn't give a shit about privacy (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

He's upset that he gave up a treasure trove of incredibly valuable data for nothing more than some help raising money and a few contacts.

That data was worth billions and had he realized it back then he'd be part of the billionaire club.

Basically he's upset that he's not going to be the one getting to screw you over using ai and llms.

Re: (Score:2)

by sinij ( 911942 )

> That data was worth billions...

You see Reddit user posts worth that much? This is approximately 50c per post.

50c (Score:1)

by kurt_cordial ( 6208254 )

That's definitely off-topic from Sam Altman's emotional accounting.

Should have ... (Score:2)

by PPH ( 736903 )

... directed Sam to scrape 4Chan instead. [1]Whatcouldpossiblygowrong? [wikipedia.org]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

Just like the Spanish Inquisition (Score:2)

by Unpopular Opinions ( 6836218 )

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

I have used reddit for years (Score:2)

by MpVpRb ( 1423381 )

...starting long before the release of chat gpt

Somehow, I always knew that I was training a robot, and I judged it to be a good thing

He gave Altman a favor after getting one himself (Score:2)

by hdyoung ( 5182939 )

and now he's trying to play the oh-I-felt-so-icky card?

Thing is, most people will buy it. Me? I'm too old to fall for it. I'm not even all that angry about it. At this point, I think that I understand how the world works fairly well. The guy got help from Altman during a critical funding round for his company, and he handed over a boatload of user data in return. This is called "quid pro quo". Dealmaking like this is literally older than our species.

But I have zero patience to listen to someone talk

Sometimes I wonder if I'm in my right mind. Then it passes off and I'm
as intelligent as ever.
-- Samuel Beckett, "Endgame"