Ryanair Tries Forcing App Downloads By Eliminating Paper Boarding Passes
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/11/12/0219222/ryanair-tries-forcing-app-downloads-by-eliminating-paper-boarding-passes
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> Ryanair is [1]trying to force users to download its mobile app by eliminating paper boarding passes, starting on November 12. As announced [2]in February and [3]subsequently delayed from earlier start dates, Europe's [4]biggest airline is moving to digital-only boarding passes, meaning customers will no longer be able to print physical ones. In order to access their boarding passes, Ryanair flyers will have to download Ryanair's app.
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> "Almost 100 percent of passengers have smartphones, and we want to move everybody onto that smartphone technology," Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary said recently on [5]The Independent 's daily travel podcast. Customers are encouraged to check in online via Ryanair's website or app before getting to the airport. People who don't check in online before getting to the airport will have to pay the airport a check-in fee.
"There'll be some teething problems," O'Leary said of the move.
[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/11/ryanair-tries-forcing-app-downloads-by-eliminating-paper-boarding-passes/
[2] https://airssist.com/ryanair-passengers-boarding-passes/
[3] https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/03/06/1628235/ryanair-delays-move-to-paperless-boarding-passes
[4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanmadden/2025/07/03/ryanair-europes-biggest-airline-increases-free-cabin-bag-allowance/
[5] https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/ryanair-smartphone-boarding-pass-how-works-b2860637.html
Should not require an app (Score:5, Insightful)
Every airline has a website that allows check-in and can generate a QR-code like boarding pass (which can also then be printed!). Both iOS and Android have "wallet" capabilities for storing such things. So the need for an airline-specific app is...?
Re:Should not require an app (Score:5, Insightful)
... spyware!
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If you have a Ryanair app, you're more likely to buy tickets from them.
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Following that logic, your phone is a browser and the apps are bookmarks with special permissions.
I'm pretty glad Android strips those if you don't use the app for a while.
Glad I don't use planes, but it doesn't look good for the industry if Ryan air is deploying something with a warning of teething trouble.
Progressive web applications (Score:2)
> Following that logic, your phone is a browser and the apps are bookmarks with special permissions.
This is the case for many applications. Both major smartphone operating systems' included web browsers support progressive web applications (PWA). These use a service worker, a script cached on the device that acts as a proxy to cache a particular site's pages, scripts, and data and present them to the user even while the device is offline. They grant additional permissions to bookmarks on the device's home screen. For example, Safari for iOS allows a website added to the home screen to use the Push API to
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Ryanair have two motivations here.
1. Steal your private data, spam you with notifications, the usual app stuff.
2. Make more people pay the check-in fee.
They are always up to stuff like this. The other very common one is rejecting bags that are within their size limits. They have special devices that the bag must fit in, but the dimensions are not the same as the ones in their Terms & Conditions. The device has rounded corners that reduce the volume a little, for example.
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> 1. Steal your private data
Does anyone know what permissions on your 'phone the app will require ? Eg: access to your contacts which will let Ryan Air work out who your friends are. This sort of thing is my primary reason for not liking this.
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Google Play lists all the permissions:
Device & app history
retrieve running apps
Location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos / Media / Files
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
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> Every airline has a website that allows check-in and can generate a QR-code like boarding pass (which can also then be printed!). Both iOS and Android have "wallet" capabilities for storing such things. So the need for an airline-specific app is...?
Can you still log onto their website prior to flying, download the QR code boarding pass image to your phone, and use that to check in without the need for any app?
If the QR code is what the gate monkey needs, then the QR code is what the gate monkey gets.
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> Can you still log onto their website prior to flying, download the QR code boarding pass image to your phone, and use that to check in without the need for any app?
Yes, you can. As you say, it's an image , which can easily be saved to local (offline) storage on the phone. Hell, you could just take a screenshot. Going further, as I mentioned, iOS and Android have "wallet" features, which in this case is just a fancy way of saving a QR code - no different than concert tickets, or mass transit passes.
So, yes, there is no present technical limitation to getting/saving/presenting the QR code that the "gate monkey" needs. And none of that needs a special app - it's al
What Standards (Score:2)
Makes me wonder what other standards they consider "good enough".
I wouldn't fly them now. Their 100% standard seems to be low....and I'm going to assume that carries over to everything in the organization. That 100% may be more like 89%...and I don't think I want to take an 89% safety rating.
I don't care if it's true...if they make stupid fucking decisions like this based on bullshit numbers; then we should all go on bullshit made up numbers.
ACs are shit (Score:1)
Turn off AC comments again you cryptofucks, 99.9% of AC posts are fucking garbage
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But they're not true AC's anymore. Who cares if they're often garbage - that's what the mods are for. It'd still be garbage if they didn't click the "Post Anonymously" checkbox. And if someone is moderating, they can't post except as AC, so there's a very legit use for it as well (though, if this were in active development, maybe that could be changed to something else).
I think the better request would be to turn back on the ability to register an account first and foremost, then maybe the ability to post a
Paper does not run out of batteries or crash (Score:4, Insightful)
While a paper boarding pass is not perfect, I prefer having it in addition to the digital boarding pass.
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You still can, but you have to collect it from their customer services desk at the airport.
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For an additional fee.
THAT, I believe, is the main part of this change. Ryan Air already doesn't even break even on the pure ticket cost. It's the horrendous extra fees that make it profitable.
Spyware (Score:4, Insightful)
While every passenger (or group of passengers, like a couple or a family) has a smartphone, not everyone want to install Ryanair's spyware on it. Ryanair obviously wants to collect more data about its customers behaviour.
Also, when travelling abroad, not everyone wants to subscribe for a data plan on the remote country, just to be able to get the boarding pass for the return flight. And using the wifi of an airport in a foreign country would also be definitely a bad idea, security wise.
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Unless you pay extra to assign a specific seat, Ryanair only allows you to check-in for your flight between 24 and 2 hours prior to departure.
As they treat each leg of the journey as a separate single booking, you already are pretty much obliged to have Internet access in your destination during those specific hours if you actually plan to fly back.
Nudge (Score:1)
I've noticed this kind of thing a LOT lately. Evidently this book is out called Nudge that tells its readers to annoy the shit out of their customers until they 'install the app". Because evidently running in the background and draining your battery constantly harvesting your data and monitoring your location is more profitable than actually selling the service.
I booked air tickets on a website and it was deliberately irritating, pausing for a long time between screens, showing a QR code and saying, 't
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> I've noticed this kind of thing a LOT lately. Evidently this book is out called Nudge that tells its readers to annoy the shit out of their customers until they 'install the app". Because evidently running in the background and draining your battery constantly harvesting your data and monitoring your location is more profitable than actually selling the service.
Nudge is riding the data-cattle trend, and there are a *LOT* of companies trying desperately to be a part of that trend.
I would think you're exaggerating about the Google stuff, but this past week they decided I wasn't an adult and "need" me to upload my state issued picture ID (Driver's License) and my credit card information to "verify" my adult status just so I can continue to upload my shitty but fun songs on Youtube. Uh, sorry Google. You aren't that much of an authority figure to me, and I certainly d
Re: Nudge (Score:2)
That's about it. Device based identification. Your device is you. All your data are belong to us now.
Smaller percentage (Score:3)
Fewer than 100% of customers have a sufficiently charged cell phone
Meh... (Score:2)
While I concede that not every person on the planet has a smartphone and not every smartphone owner wants to install an app to manage their boarding pass (frequent flier details and other things as well), it is a LOT easier to manage that way if you're a frequent traveler. The only times I have used a paper boarding pass for the last 15-ish years is when I didn't want to bring my phone to my destination (i.e. China).
I'm guessing that Ryanair has done the math and decided that they don't care if the folks w
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> Perhaps the cost of supporting that option
Which cost, exactly?
We are speaking about paper boarding passes the customers themselves print. The gates read the barcode and don't care if it's on paper or a phone screen.
So which cost, exactly?
You are wrong. (Score:2)
No.
They still support paper.... but only paper generated by their support desk after traveler generated it in the app...
It is identical functionality they are removing from consumer's web app... it is still in their support desk web app
Good luck with that (Score:4, Interesting)
Fun anecdote: I visited the Philippines in 2022. I flew Cebu Pacific Air for a few domestic flights, and they had just setup an abundance of these self-check-in kiosks at their airport check-ins. While prior visits to this particular terminal would see six to eight staff working check-in counters, this visit only had two: one assisting with the kiosks, and one checking baggage. Wait times were long, kiosks were confusing, and people were agitated, but we all got through.
I just returned from another trip now in 2025. Flew Cebu Pacific Air again for my domestic flights. This time the terminal had only three self-check-in kiosks, they were shoved up against a wall aside from the check-in counters, and nobody was using them. Everyone was waiting in line to deal with a human. (In the consideration of both sides of this human-vs-machine argument, perhaps the reason why kiosks didn't succeed in the Philippines is because human labor there is very cheap.)
Regardless, the moral of the story is that airline travel is agitating. Companies that try to nickel-and-dime passengers (even budget airlines like RyanAir) by removing mature, reliable, human & paper & analog components from that experience in place of new, untested, anxiety-inducing digital counterparts may discover that the total cost is not worth the savings.
Great (Score:2)
Now going through phones will be a breeze for TSA , everyone will need to carry one to get onboard. Check for rootkits and spyware in that app. Burner phones will get more popular as noone in their right minds want to let TSA and the likes download all their private lives and search through it at their leasure without proper court orders.
Off topic (Score:2)
TSA is a specifically US agency. Ryanair does not operate in US airspace, much less fly to US airports. EU security checks are focussed on security, with some theatre at times, not looking for thoughtcrime.
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Oh, my sweet summer child.
Re: Off topic (Score:2)
I am trying to figure if they are being sarcastic or actually believe that. Every government out there wants a perch in every smartphone. The best part is that most commercial companies are willing to provide the perch.
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What TSA, I didn't know Ryan air had US routes.
No TSA in the EU.
teething (Score:5, Insightful)
> "There'll be some teething problems," O'Leary said of the move.
That's putting it mildly.
Smartphones can crash, run out of battery or any number of problems. On important trips I usually have a paper boarding pass with me as a backup. Only needed it once, but I'm just one person with fairly normal travel amounts. Multiplied over the number of people flying Ryan Air, statistically speaking this happens constantly.
Frankly speaking, I think it's a gimmick to milk the customers for more money. Someone at Ryan Air has certainly done the calculation, estimated how many people can't access their boarding pass at the gate for whatever reason, and how much additional money they can make by forcing all these people to pay the additional fee for having it printed.
They appear hell-bent on going through with it (Score:2)
which means that except for that last ticket I got before it was announced I'm not flying with them anymore.
They can do whatever they want (Score:3)
Because decades of market consolidation means your options are very limited.
Disabilities Act violation? (Score:4, Interesting)
Why should this not be a violation of the Americans With Disabilities Act?
My eyes cannot deal with the "flyspeck 3" fonts used by smart-phones, and as I result I cannot use one. Can I get the statutory $15K per violation specified by this US law?
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Because contrary to the views of a lot of self-centered Americans the rest of the world doesn't have to obey your laws...
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They do in America just as they have to in your country. What kind of point are you trying to make?
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Ryanair does not fly to the americas, they operate purely in europe and the immediate vicinity like north africa, they have no obligation to comply with laws outside of the countries they operate in.
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When you buy your ticket, you can just specify that you're disabled and that you need a paper ticket as a special accomodation. After all, they already have these questions for people who need other accomodations (for wheelchairs or food). It shouldn't be too hard to add one more to the list.
And for the passengers that don't have the foresight to check that box when they buy the ticket, I'll bet Ryan Air will be more than happy to supply a paper ticket for an extra $75 fee per boarding pass (or per leg of t
They underestimate the non-tech-savvy (Score:2)
I had a Gen 0 Apple Watch, and used it for my boarding pass onto a Delta flight. They weren't very common, and the gate agent called me "Batman".
That said, my mother is rapidly approaching her 80s and even with her smartphone I don't think she could be trusted to be able to check in. People like her are going to be fumbling around with their phone right at the gate, and it's going to be a nightmare. Best of luck to them actually making things better.
Unlimited privacy rape (Score:2)
com.ryanair.cheapflights has the usual Google data/internet/identity/location spyware that most shopping on a phone apps have. It also has "run at start-up" so the privacy rape isn't limited to using the app.
Delete after use (Score:2)
There is no reason I know of for anyone not to delete the airline app directly after returning home.
You can always write your username and password down, reinstalling everything when you fly again.
Even if you have another flight in a month.
Just removed the app... (Score:2)
...after an awful travel with them. Never again.
Security (Score:2)
Surely this system will prove to be hackable.
People will think of all kinds of creative ways to fuck up Ryanair.
Why an app? (Score:2)
Why not a PNG or PDF in an email that I can access offline?
It's almost like Ryanair intentionally harasses their customers.
Any company that forces me to use a smartphone (Score:2)
will lose my business
This is bullshit (Score:2)
Electronic boarding passes are fine, if they're just bar codes in a PDF. Then people with smart phones can use their phone, and people without can print them.
Forcing people to use an app is simply trying to spy on them.
Almost 100% is not equal to 100% (Score:5, Insightful)
> "Almost 100 percent of passengers have smartphones, and we want to move everybody onto that smartphone technology"
Corollary: "Less than 1 percent of passengers don't have smartphones, and we don't want them to be our customers anymore.
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Yes.
I do have a smartphone, but this number of future non-customers very certainly includes me. A process designed to favour the providers, not the customer's ease or convenience, is not a good process.
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Joke's on them. Not only do I not have a smartphone (and my tablet is so old it most likely won't run their program), but I also don't have Real ID so I can't even fly domestically.
(Strangely enough, the topic came up the other day at work and when I mentioned I didn't have Real ID one of my co-workers became visibly upset and began demanding that I go get it. I don't know why it would bother anyone so much.)
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Because secretly you are an alien with two hearts or a lizard master in disguise?
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Weird. And creepy.
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> ... but I also don't have Real ID so I can't even fly domestically.
Just to nit-pick... (a) Ryanair doesn't have any flights in the U.S. (according to Google) and (b) there are procedures available to fly within the U.S. w/o a Real ID, and other forms of ID are also acceptable (also listed on page below), like a valid passport or DOD ID.
[1]Acceptable Identification at the TSA Checkpoint [tsa.gov]
> Don’t Have Your Acceptable ID?
> The TSA officer may ask you to complete an identity verification process which includes collecting information such as your name and current address to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint, where you may be subject to additional screening.
[1] https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
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Nothing wrong with that.
Those 1% are not worth the hassle.
Denmark’s state-run postal service PostNord announced it will stop delivering letters in the country by the end of 2025, shifting its focus entirely to package deliveries.
The move comes after a roughly 90 % drop in letter volumes since the year 2000 and an additional 30 % decline in 2024. About 1,500 mailboxes will be removed and around 1,500 of the company’s 4,600 Danish employees are expected to lose their jobs as the business pivots.
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> Denmark’s state-run postal service PostNord announced it will stop delivering letters in the country by the end of 2025, shifting its focus entirely to package deliveries.
Joke's on them, I'll just put my outgoing mail in boxes. :-)
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> Joke's on them, I'll just put my outgoing mail in boxes. :-)
And pay the price of a parcel for a letter. How much will that cost you ?