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Thousands of Flights in Danger of Cancellation as FAA Announces Major Cuts (theverge.com)

(Thursday November 06, 2025 @11:54AM (msmash) from the PSA dept.)


The government shutdown-spurred airport chaos is about to get a whole lot worse. From a report:

> The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday it will reduce flight volumes by 10 percent across 40 major airports in response, a move that [1]could threaten 3,000 to 4,500 flights daily . The cuts will affect "high volume" markets, including in Atlanta, Dallas, New York City and Los Angeles, according to CBS. The FAA has not formally announced which airports will have their capacity cut.

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> "I'm not aware in my 35-year history in the aviation market where we've had a situation where we're taking these kinds of measures," FAA Administrator Bryan Bedford said at a news conference, according to the AP. The government shutdown, which is now the longest in US history, has already been causing thousands of delays each day, as well as long waits at airport security. Some major airports have even been forced to operate without air traffic control for hours at a time.



[1] https://www.theverge.com/news/815359/faa-flight-cuts-airport-government-shutdown



are we winning yet? (Score:5, Interesting)

by k3v0 ( 592611 )

gop is doing all this because they don't want to negotiate on driving up health insurance premiums for millions of people. they have all 3 branches of gov't.

Re:are we winning yet? (Score:4, Insightful)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

GOP is doing this because they hate people who aren't them. Full stop.

Re: are we winning yet? (Score:3)

by reanjr ( 588767 )

They also hate people who are them. The GOP is a cesspool of miserable whining children throwing tantrums all the time.

Re: (Score:2)

by DaveyJJ ( 1198633 )

I always said before the Rs went full on after their perceived enemies they'd have a full blown year or so of a "night of long knives" purging their own ranks of those not significantly R (or MAGA or hypocritical) enough. Look at how some of them, for example MTG, are now at each other's throats claiming the other isn't pure enough or doing the wrong thing. Whining (yet dangerous) children indeed.

Re: (Score:2)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

These people see the world as a game where the only purpose is to get the most money, and they don't really care who is left once the game is over.

Re:are we winning yet? (Score:5, Informative)

by bkmoore ( 1910118 )

> GOP is doing this because they hate people who aren't them. Full stop.

It was about tax breaks for billionaires. They needed to offset those tax breaks to make them revenue neutral. The GOP could have offset tax breaks against military spending and probably gotten some bipartisan support, but they chose to offset them against medical insurance for the poor, disabled, children, and the elderly. Then the GOP/Trump expected at least 7 Democrats in the Senate to be corrupt enough to go along with this, so they could call spending reductions on the poor bipartisan. When that didn't work, they lied, falsely claiming the Democrats want "healthcare for illegals". That is untrue, as illegal immigrants are not eligible for healthcare subsidies under the ACA. The GOP created this mess, and they put the Democrats in a no-win hostage situation.

Re: (Score:2)

by Sebby ( 238625 )

>> That is untrue, as illegal immigrants are not eligible for healthcare subsidies under the ACA.

> That depends on how each state is enforcing those rules. Some, not so much. There is currently an audit underway.

So "States' rights” then, no?

Re: (Score:3)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

That may be true, but I don't think Trump really thought that anyone would go along. He simply doesn't care about America or Americans. He didn't even accept the shutdown as his fault, because if someone disagrees with him then it is their fault even though he is the freaking president.

Re: (Score:2)

by Krishnoid ( 984597 )

Along those lines, [1]this snakey diagram [sankeymatic.com] makes it easier to see where the money's coming into the Federal budget and where/who it's going out to.

[1] https://sankeymatic.com/gallery/federal-budget.html

Obamacare is for the middle class (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Everyone talks about the poor when they bring up Obamacare subsidies but there are millions of middle class small business owners using those subsidies who are going to pay a small fortune if they can even pay at all.

There are almost certainly some people here who do contract gig work that depend on the Obamacare subsidies. Many of them voted for Trump and are very frightened and confused because they cannot comprehend why the great man that is Donald Trump would do this to them.

If you go to the Red

Re: (Score:2)

by Moryath ( 553296 )

It goes Way beyond parasocial into the realm of madness.

GOP/"MAGA" is a cult. A white-supremacist, bigoted, horrific, dangerous cult.

They think that if they just idolize their "glorious leader" hard enough, somehow all their misogynistic, racist, bigoted wishes will come true. Remember what they were saying [1]the last time Trump and his America-hating GOP flunkies shut the government down [vox.com]: "He's not hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting."

They literally voted for him in hopes of harming others.

[1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida

Re: (Score:2)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

Clearly. This is deeply malicious and society-destroying.

Re: are we winning yet? (Score:3)

by newcastlejon ( 1483695 )

Don't forget the discharge petition. How many more signatures does it need again?

Re: are we winning yet? (Score:2)

by LordofWinterfell ( 90845 )

The other option is to allow the GOP to wait until after the insurance subsidies end, explain that itâ(TM)s Obamaâ(TM)s fault, and try to use that damage against them in the midterms.

You know he doesnâ(TM)t have a plan to either fix or replace ACA. They broke two major portions that would keep prices low, and now are happy to cash in.

Re: (Score:3)

by Alypius ( 3606369 )

That's the biggest reason why I despise the GOP. "Oh we need the House to fix it" *wins House* "Oh, um, ok, we need the Senate too." *wins Senate* "Crap. Yanno, we need the White House otherwise it'll just get vetoed." *wins WH* "Shit."

Re: (Score:3)

by goldspider ( 445116 )

Republicans end individual mandate.

Republicans let the subsidies expire.

"Why would the Democrats do this to the American people??"

Re: (Score:2)

by cpurdy ( 4838085 )

Thanks, Obama!

/s

Re: (Score:3)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

> Schumer can end his shutdown anytime he wants, but he won't.

So can the party currently holding a majority in 3/3 branches of the government. Mike Johnson sent everyone home early so they couldn't vote on the Epstein files.

Re: (Score:2)

by BranMan ( 29917 )

Funny you should bring up DOGE. Musk, love him or hate him, you have to admit is effective. Moves fast and breaks things. Gets. Stuff. Done. Turned loose with a chainsaw (literally) to find and root out government fraud, waste, and abuse. With a team of unpaid (??) minions and unfettered access to quite literally everything, he spent weeks on end tearing everything apart to find inefficiencies.

And published his results. Many of which are debatable, a few maybe outright fabrication, some legit. BUT

Re: (Score:2)

by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

Obama was sworn in January 2009. The financial bullshit started in 2008. Let that sink in.

Re: are we winning yet? (Score:2)

by Fons_de_spons ( 1311177 )

> Are we winning yet?

If you ask a Maga, they will probably tell you the democrats are holding them back. If course, it is all their fault. They can't think beyond black and white. Such a shame. So many pretty colors out there.

Re: (Score:3)

by gtall ( 79522 )

In addition, if Mike Johnson were to call the House back in session, they'd have to seat the new Representative from N. Mexico, and she's said she'll support the discharge petition to put a vote to the whole House on whether to compel the Justice Dept. to release the Epstein files. They only need one vote for the petition. la Presidenta does not want that. This has the effect of protecting the pedophiles reported in those documents, and his name appears in them.

I think by now the Justice Dept. has had enoug

I am glad (Score:2)

by registrations_suck ( 1075251 )

I am glad I'm not flying any time soon. Getting your flight canceled just sucks. Even just worrying about getting cancelled sucks, especially if you have a lot of money invested on a trip.

I wonder if travel insurance would pay off on something like this.

Re: (Score:2)

by olddoc ( 152678 )

Just got an email from United. (They use Newark as a hub so they are at a big risk of cancellations) They say anyone can get a refund from them -- even people with bottom of the line economy tickets. They also say they don't plan on cancelling international flights. The most at risk for cancellations are domestic flights to a non hub city. Travel insurance should pay too but I'd much rather get it directly from the airline.

Re: I am glad (Score:2)

by newcastlejon ( 1483695 )

> They say anyone can get a refund from them -- even people with bottom of the line economy tickets.

They're refunding tickets for cancelled flights? Do they want a bloody medal?!

Re: I am glad (Score:2)

by LindleyF ( 9395567 )

They are offering refunds to anyone during this time, impacted or not.

Re: (Score:2)

by registrations_suck ( 1075251 )

Well, that's good.

For the travel insurance, I was thinking more about lost hotels and such.

My most recent trip was to Ireland to see a football game. Had my flights been cancelled, I would have lost thousands for game tickets and hotels, were it not for Travel insurance.

I have never had to use travel insurance, but I bet it is a pain in the ass get refunded for stuff.

Like Trump said (Score:5, Insightful)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Republicans could end this tomorrow if they broke the filibuster which they easily could and have done so before in order to steal supreme Court seats.

This is about stopping the Democrats from getting a win right before the midterm elections. It's the Republican party making your life worse so that you will blame the Democrats because they think you're stupid.

Well? Are you?

About so many things (Score:4, Interesting)

by abulafia ( 7826 )

It is about denying a win.

It is also about the overall fascist project - they have sold themselves on the need to dominate and crush. Being forced to negotiate is a big power-balance setback for them.

And it is also about Trump's BFF. Right now Holy Mike is refusing to swear in a new (D) representative. That rep just happens to be the deciding vote on releasing lots of juicy Epstein documents. Documents that have already been confirms by members of this admin to mention Trump.

Just remember the phrase, "Everything Trump touches dies." It hasn't been wrong yet.

Re: (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

True, the Republicans are planning on cheating in the midterms in order to hold on to the House of Representatives and then cheating in the 2028 general election in order to prevent Democrats from winning then.

If Johnson can hold the Democrats off until then and if the cheating works then they win. The Epstein files never get released and Trump and all the Republicans in there are safe.

Nobody's going to care about any of the Democrat names in the Epstein files because those people have won since ret

We are DETERMINED! (Score:3)

by dskoll ( 99328 )

"We are so DETERMINED to hurt people by denying them affordable healthcare that we're also determined to hurt them by causing travel chaos!!!" -- The GOP.

Are we getting tired or winning yet? (Score:2)

by cpurdy ( 4838085 )

So much winning.

Re: (Score:2)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

I'm sure the Trumpster isn't hurting.

Re: (Score:2)

by DaveyJJ ( 1198633 )

Unless he twists his back golfing. That does hurt. Thankfully he has a caddy to place his ball nicely for him in case of a shot into a sand trap or rough.

Why does THE STATE have to pay for all this? (Score:2)

by phoenix321 ( 734987 )

I understand this is a partisan fight issue, our policy of most rationality vs. their utter barbarism type of discussion. But please:

Air traffic safety is an important service. Why would that need funding from the government, if so many customers need and purchase that service?

Every flight passenger is using this service to get from A to B safely. Every flight passenger is buying a ticket that includes all sorts of fees and taxes, including airport security. (we disregard a debate about the TSA for now).

Why

Re: (Score:2)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

Air traffic benefits anyone who participates in the economy, not just people who fly or ship things by air. In other words, everyone.

Re: Why does THE STATE have to pay for all this? (Score:1)

by BigEddieD ( 9191421 )

Please, if there is actually some kind of problem or accident, it's not like anybody outside of the plane will be affected. Never, in the entire history of manned flight, has an airplane ever caused any type of damage to lives or property that were not directly aboard the airplane. This is common knowledge. The earth is like what, 80% water right? So that means 4 out of 5 accidents will occur over the ocean, leaving only 1 out of 5 that we need to worry about. Now that we only have to worry about the one pl

Re: (Score:2)

by fluffernutter ( 1411889 )

It's not about planes falling on people. If flying in general becomes unsafe, then the price goes up on everything because the risk increases for the people air shipping goods. Thus price of those things increase.

Re: (Score:2)

by Luthair ( 847766 )

There actually is a fee charged on every ticket that covers this, blame it on the way your government (doesn't) work.

Re: (Score:2)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

And in actual reality, the Republicans have all the power except for this tiny bit and it is really ALL their fault. If you have no ability to compromise, you have no business leading anything.

Also a nice occasion to identify zero-insight fuckups. Hint: You are one.

Go on, follow The Dumb a bit longer (Score:2)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

If you make a really determined effort, you may even get rid of your air travel system completely!

Ozman's Laws:
(1) If someone says he will do something "without fail," he won't.
(2) The more people talk on the phone, the less money they make.
(3) People who go to conferences are the ones who shouldn't.
(4) Pizza always burns the roof of your mouth.