You Can't Refuse To Be Scanned by ICE's Facial Recognition App, DHS Document Says (404media.co)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/10/31/1515258/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ices-facial-recognition-app-dhs-document-says
- Source link: https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ices-facial-recognition-app-dhs-document-says/
> Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) [1]does not let people decline to be scanned by its new facial recognition app , which the agency uses to verify a person's identity and their immigration status, according to an internal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) document obtained by 404 Media. The document also says any face photos taken by the app, called Mobile Fortify, will be stored for 15 years, including those of U.S. citizens.
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> The document provides new details about the technology behind Mobile Fortify, how the data it collects is processed and stored, and DHS's rationale for using it. On Wednesday 404 Media reported that both ICE and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) are scanning peoples' faces in the streets to verify citizenship.
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> "ICE does not provide the opportunity for individuals to decline or consent to the collection and use of biometric data/photograph collection," the document, called a Privacy Threshold Analysis (PTA), says. A PTA is a document that DHS creates in the process of deploying new technology or updating existing capabilities. It is supposed to be used by DHS's internal privacy offices to determine and describe the privacy risks of a certain piece of tech. "CBP and ICE Privacy are jointly submitting this new mobile app PTA for the ICE Mobile Fortify Mobile App (Mobile Fortify app), a mobile application developed by CBP and made accessible to ICE agents and officers operating in the field," the document, dated February, reads. 404 Media obtained the document (which you can see here) via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with CBP.
[1] https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ices-facial-recognition-app-dhs-document-says/
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All they can do is attack the messenger because the message challenges their beliefs.
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Dept of Government Efficiency needs to vastly increase their staff to investigate all the government inefficiencies.
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I guarantee this data is being monetized somehow.
Who'd have thunk? (Score:2)
It's almost as if you can't systematically take away civil rights for some people without ultimately taking it away for all people. Seems a shame that having an entire constitution written around that basic premise wasn't enough to prevent this.
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They're too busy grabbing their Desert Eagle when a black child rings the doorbell. [1]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u... [nbcnews.com]
[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plea-deal-reached-wrong-door-shooting-teenager-ralph-yarl-rcna192042
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"Don't tread on me!"
"Oh wait, nobody told me I could be the boot. That changes everything, I love being the boot!"
Can't? (Score:2)
An agency policy is NOT law by any means.
If it were, we'd all be ####ed a million ways to doomsday.
(ianal, but I don't have to be for something this obviously egregious.)
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Get arrested. Try refusing to get a mug shot (photo) which goes into a database, let me know what part of your body hurts the most next morning.
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Getting requested requires a certain threshold of suspicion. ICE does not. If they CHOOSE to stop you, they scan your face. And they can stop you for any reason they choose. There is a big difference between someone suspected of committing a crime being scanned, and ANYONE THEY WANT being forced into a biometric database.
This is out of control.
Everyone is okay with tracking (Score:1)
I don't go into restaurants that require an ID scan. I've stopped flying because of all the biometrics. If some agent tried to do this, I'd be fucking livid. I'd probably set aside $20k of my own money just to sue and get my data deleted.
And before you scream "you're tracked already" : My cars are old enough they don't have permanent cell modems in them. My phone runs Lineage without Gapps or microG (Yes, the ISP still tracks and sells my location data. I know. Nothing I can do about that). I built my ow
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For most of my life, Republicans have been warning about the dangers of government overreach and for all of that time I'd felt that their claims were overstated or far-fetched. It seems they're out to prove me wrong by becoming everything they claimed to be against.
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I know many people like you. Intelligent nerds, plenty of skills - yet lacking in common sense.
You ARE being tracked. Countless agencies know who you are. And, ironically - you and others like you are probably on more lists and being tracked more closely than the rest of us. The very fact you have a tiny digital footprint actually brings attention to you.
I applaud your beliefs and efforts, but it just ain't working out like you think it is.
Illegal search applies here (Score:2)
ICE is basically violating a fundamental problem of violating the very idea of illegal search. There has to be probable cause to search, or to try to verify the identity of people, and race/ethnic group is not an acceptable reason to search someone. If anything, this is more "government overreach" and the push to allow ANYONE claiming to work for the government to be able to do whatever they want.
I really am waiting for states and local governments to tell ICE that they are not welcome, and to arrest an
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You don't understand the law or the reality.
Public is public. The government can face-scan you just like I can take a picture of you.
Immigrants are subject to identification requirements whenever/wherever, period.
Illegal immigrants have no constitutional protections or rights.
A previous administration attempted to force asylum seekers to wait their turn for a hearing outside the country.
This is pretty much the same in every country, and for those that didn't have those rules - well you can see how well tha
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> Immigrants are subject to identification requirements whenever/wherever, period.
Back up just a bit. How do you know the random person on the street is an immigrant?
> Illegal immigrants have no constitutional protections or rights.
You are incorrect. I asked Grok (the non woke AI) for clarification on this issue.
Undocumented immigrants enjoy many of the same fundamental rights as citizens in everyday and legal contexts:
Due Process (Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments): Right to a fair hearing before deprivation of liberty, including in deportation proceedings. They cannot be deported without notice and an opportunity to contest removal. However, immigratio
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Probably not given our current Court system. The ruling would be that you are in public and therefore they can do whatever they want. The only time it wouldn't apply is if you're on your property protected by a high fence.
They're mostly pulling random people off the streets so they can do pretty much whatever they want as long as Trump is president.
I don't think folks would realize this but every single institution designed to protect you has broken down. The last and final one was the voters and th
Re: Illegal search applies here (Score:2)
I agree with you that it's patently illegal, but most likely ice will arrest decliners for 48 hours and not charge them with anything. It is a crime to not identify yourself to officers, but you're ONLY required to provide a name (or license if driving). They would not be able to get an obstruction charge to stick for facial scan. Just remember not to resist the arrest itself, and definitely don't fight back since then they can get you on resisting or battery leo. Just look down, close your eyes, anythi
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Oh those boots must be so tasty.
Would your opinion be any different if a court allowed Obama to detain people on the basis of sounding like a redneck? Because a court allowed Trump to detain people if they are speaking Spanish.
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Good grief child, read the decision and stop spewing stupidity.
[1]https://www.supremecourt.gov/o... [supremecourt.gov]
[1] https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a169_5h25.pdf
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> I'm going to say no, you should not have the right to refuse to identify yourself.
If this is true then the 4th is null so then naturally the 2nd is as well so national gun registry here we come! Better show me your papers for that AR15 sir.
Fuck ICE (Score:1)
Whoever signed off on this obviously unconstitutional horseshit needs to be removed from office, prosecuted, and spend the rest of their natural life in the smallest cell the international criminal court can find, along with all the rest of the domestic terrorists that have seized control of our federal law enforcement agencies.
Don't Tread On Me! (Score:2)
Anyone driving around with the Gadsden flag on your truck or perhaps being flown in your yard, please speak up! This is the moment you've been warning us about.
Armed federal agents wearing masks who refuse to identify themselves are violating rights and committing crimes with impunity. They don't drive vehicles with federal plates but instead use rented vans. They grab people from their place of employment and send them off to camps.
Hm (Score:2)
What will the deportation force of 42,000, which is 4x more agents than the FBI has (not including the 3000 diverted agents), [1]https://www.cato.org/blog/ice-... [cato.org] do when they run out of farmers and restaurant workers to deport? Will they go back to trying to find violent criminals?
Also, do we really want to deport people who have stayed in the US for a long period without harmful actions (doing work isn't harm, I mean, does *your* work harm?)? It seems unnecessarily cruel to demand a pound of flesh and uproo
[1] https://www.cato.org/blog/ice-has-diverted-over-25000-officers-their-jobs
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If the government really was concerned about illegal labor then why do the people who sign the illegal labor paychecks not get arrested?
Pretty soon when they disappear citizens (Score:2)
They aren't going to show up again. Remember all those FEMA death camps that Obama was running? Pepperidge farms remembers.
I'm not going to complain about right-wing hypocrisy because the right wing just does not have enough self-awareness to experience the emotion of hypocrisy.
But it is amazing what the right wingers will trade in order to secure their place in a hierarchy.
It is amazing how how much it infuriates them to show respect to someone who they don't consider to be in their in group.
I won't play the game (Score:2)
I just won't go to the US any more. Problem solved. If I want to go somewhere warm in winter, Portugal or Spain are nice. Or St. Maarten. Or any number of other places.
Meta post here (Score:2)
And I don't mean facebook. I want to talk about this post and the comments on it.
One of the major problems is that anyone who voted to give away their rights in order to kick out immigrants or just plain be mean to them isn't going to read this thread.
We're all in information silos and there is insane amounts of lies and misinformation and propaganda out there designed to benefit the billionaires who bought the entire American Media over the last 50 years.
But what gets me is people who seek out
Not a Problem For Me (Score:2)
If ICE ever comes to my area, I'll just start wearing a mask in public. Or would wearing a mask put me at risk for being arrested for impersonating a federal officer?
ICE= STASI (Score:3, Interesting)
Strategic Targeting of Asylum Seekers and Immigrants
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STASI --> Damned straight ... and long overdue. Say hello to 9/11 Muzziwogs , narco-MEX mules and 5-th column degenerates.