France and Spain Call on EU To Uphold 2035 Combustion Engine Ban (bloomberg.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/10/21/1759230/france-and-spain-call-on-eu-to-uphold-2035-combustion-engine-ban
- Source link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-21/france-spain-call-on-eu-to-uphold-2035-combustion-engine-ban
> The European Commission, the bloc's executive branch, is currently reviewing rules designed to accelerate the automotive sector's green transition. Merz has called on the bloc to give up its 2035 deadline to help Germany's troubled car industry.
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> France and Spain "hope that the upcoming review will preserve the 2035 cap and the environmental ambition of the CO2 emissions trajectory that underpins it," a paper presented to climate ministers in Luxembourg on Tuesday, and seen by Bloomberg says. "This revision should in no way call into question the zero emissions exhaust target in 2035."
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-21/france-spain-call-on-eu-to-uphold-2035-combustion-engine-ban
Merz is riding a dead horse, (Score:5, Insightful)
sure, he can delay the inevitable, but this will only harden the fall for Germany. But, nevermind, in 10 years he'll long be out of office and enjoy his healthy politicians retirement. Everything for today's votes.
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> sure, he can delay the inevitable
Inevitable. LOL.
The EU will break up before it truly bans ICE engines. It's not going to happen in our lifetime. Brussels may impose a penalty of some kind on member states that don't comply, but it'll be fairly cheap. Some tax or another will be imposed, everyone will claim victory, and ICE vehicles will continue to roll off production lines on the Continent.
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That doesn't really matter though, because manufacturers won't make ICE vehicles if they've been told they won't be able to sell then in ten years.
China loves this, of course, because they have little experience of making ICE vehicles and the EU can't compete against cheap Chinese EVs. Almost like they've paid Western politicians to destroy Western auto manufacturers.
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> That doesn't really matter though, because manufacturers won't make ICE vehicles if they've been told they won't be able to sell then in ten years.
Canada has tried this. The vehicle manufacturers said there was no way they could ever meat the target and the government had to buckle. They can't make people buy EVs if they don't want them.
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meet*
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If I had a dime each time someone predicts the immediate demise of the E.U...
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You read too fast. The parent post wrote "EU will break up before it bans ICE" means "Hell will froze before the EU bans ICE". DesScorp isn't predicting the demise of the EU, DesScorp is stating that the ICE will remain legal for an indeterminate, virtually infinite amount of time, by making this duration longer that the existence of the EU itself.
The French (Score:1, Funny)
The French can't even operate their own government. Deferring to the French on how the entire EU should operate transportation is demented.
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PROTIP: The law to ban combustion engine cars in the EU after 2035 has already been passed, it's Germany that wants other member states to defer to them on how the entire EU should operate transportation by changing the law.
Although it's worth mentioning the article is somewhat wrong, the law doesn't mandate a ban on combustion engine cars after 2035 per se, it mandates an 100% CO2 emissions reduction target by 2035 for new cars and vans, so combustion engine cars could exist after 2035 if made to run on
What if (Score:3)
What if they either subsidized or offered an inflation-indexed basic income generous enough for me to afford a Rivian that might fulfill my car-camping needs?
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> What if they either subsidized or offered an inflation-indexed basic income generous enough for me to afford a Rivian that might fulfill my car-camping needs?
If anything the Rivian is the next in line for being banned. American oversized penis compensation machines have no place on the roads.
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If I have large dogs that need to be transported, can I have your permission for a bigger vehicle your highness?
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Have you seen the size of the US? The size of our roads? The distances to be traveled? The EU can stick with their little wiener mobiles. It makes sense there. Big distances and roads require big wieners. Your little autos would feel like throwing a hot dog down a hallway over here.
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But wouldn't someone else have to work more so you can sit at home and collect your inflation-indexed basic income? If you don't understand why this is an issue, I won't explain it to you.
Forbid larger engines... (Score:3, Insightful)
As a compromise they should forbid larger engines since 2035 and leave small ones for couple more years...
And if Spain cares so much for CO2 maybe they should stop buying Russian gas ? It is double bad as not only its burning causes emission but the money is used for war in Ukraine which has huge CO2 emission...
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How about as a non-compromise they go ahead and bring on the EVs but also ban all EU nations from buying Russian gas? Mercedes can then comply with the mandate or fuck off. They don't deserve any special treatment for being diesel cheaters and lazy pricks.
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The "ICE ban" is often misunderstood. Companies are free to build more ICEs, they just have to warrant that they are powered by carbon neutral fuel, e.g. e-fuels or green hydrogen.
Not a Ban (Score:5, Insightful)
They aren't banning combustion engines, they are banning the sale of new ones. We need to end the use of ICE for transportation. Setting a date for producing them and then sticking to it is really the only way to address the problem. The discussion should be about how to reduce the market for them in the meantime to make that date realistic. If you make reducing emissions a slave to the market its not going to happen.
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As others have said, they aren't even banning the sale of combustion engine cars after 2035, combustion engine cars running on green hydrogen and e-fuel are possible. Of course e-fuels have to become affordable enough for this to make sense (green hydrogen cannot be made affordable by 2035, so I won't entertain the idea).
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As long as the other fuels are as easily available as gas and cost the same. Though those don't sound like they will cost the same.
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If Germany doesn't want to build nuclear power plants and spent-fuel storage facilities because nuclear power in Germany is politically incorrect, that's something that can be classified as a "their problem".
Germany, Europe still being fucked by Merkel (Score:2)
Merkel shut down the nuclear plants and opened up the gas pipelines, as well as other ties to Russia.
Merkel must be up there as the worst leader of any major country of this century ?
And yes, I'm including Trump.
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Unless it was by design and she was a deep plant Russian asset. Then she accomplished her goal.
France and Spain (Score:3)
Countries that don't make any nice cars anyway. Better to listen to Germany and Italy on this one. They do.
regarding the German automakers (Score:1)
remember, necessity is the mother of invention
no need to delay, they will adapt.
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Some Europeans lived through the Black Death. Necessity often leaves a lot of corpses in its wake. Ban something outright and by definition the only survivors will have found a solution. That says nothing about how many companies won't make it. That happens anyway, but this is a bit of unnatural selection.
Re: Hope Russia doesn't take their grid out... (Score:1)
Gasoline pumps at a gas stations do need eletricity to work, though. But, otoh, most privately owned solar inverters seem to be vulnerable to cybersecurity threats - it's probably only a matter of time until some russian hacker tries to sabotage European networks by switching a lot of them on and off st thr same time.
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They can run off a cheap generator.
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> most privately owned solar inverters seem to be vulnerable to cybersecurity threats
They're also grid following.
And depending on the inside wiring, only a few plugs will get electricity when the grid is out..
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I'm confused. What makes EVs stop working when the electricity is out? I mean I have charged mine for about a week now and it still worked today. On the flip side my wife had to fill up petrol today, that wouldn't have worked if the power were out.
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Wait a week.