New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in Europe (macrumors.com)
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- News link: https://apple.slashdot.org/story/25/10/15/1745223/new-macbook-pro-does-not-include-a-charger-in-the-box-in-europe
- Source link: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-macbook-pro-lacks-charger-in-europe/
[1] https://apple.slashdot.org/story/25/10/15/1328213/apples-new-macbook-pro-delivers-24-hour-battery-life-and-faster-ai-processing
[2] https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-macbook-pro-lacks-charger-in-europe/
About time! (Score:4, Insightful)
Now show me my discount :-)
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In reality they will of course not discount it.
Box should include either the charger or a refund coupon equal to the retail price of one.
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This would be the ticket. Include a voucher for a free charger. The customer can redeem it online and have one sent; or get some apple credits they can use of media, towards a mouse, keyboard, dock, or whatever else they sell. It fulfills the ending waste ethos without ripping off the customers.
EU Regulation (Score:2)
Here is the reason for the EU. As I understand it, the UK has a similar regulation in place or going in place:
> [1]https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/sectors/electrical-and-electronic-engineering-industries-eei/radio-equipment-directive-red/one-common-charging-solution-all_en [europa.eu]
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> Unbundling the sale of a charger from the sale of the electronic device
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> Consumers are able to purchase a new electronic device without a new charger. This limits the number of chargers on the market or left unused. Reducing production and disposal of new chargers is estimated to reduce the amount of electronic waste by 980 tonnes yearly.
. Details can be found in this document: [2]https://eur-lex.europa.eu/lega... [europa.eu]
[1] https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/sectors/electrical-and-electronic-engineering-industries-eei/radio-equipment-directive-red/one-common-charging-solution-all_en
[2] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.315.01.0030.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A315%3ATOC
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The EU has a lot of bad ideas. A whole 980 metric tons. Whoopdeef-k. And all it cost was... born by the consumers so the EU commission didn't care.
Is there a surplus of 70 watt chargers in the EU? No? Well, enjoy paying even more for your (overpriced) laptop EU Mac fans!
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> The EU has a lot of bad ideas. A whole 980 metric tons. Whoopdeef-k. And all it cost was... born by the consumers so the EU commission didn't care.
> Is there a surplus of 70 watt chargers in the EU? No? Well, enjoy paying even more for your (overpriced) laptop EU Mac fans!
Be honest....I bet you like many people, myself included, have several USB chargers sat in a drawer unused which will just end up in landfill which is why these regulations were brought in. I bought a 6 port USB charger years ago so every charger that came with anything I bought was just thrown in a drawer, unused. I now just have a GaN charger, they're dirt cheap like £60 for a 200W 6 port one from Anker.
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I don't actually seem to have that many, and I'm a pack rat. When I find one, it's a happy event because it means I can finally plug that whatever in where I want it to be plugged in.
I have a block that plugs into an electric socket to provide a few more electric outlets, 3 USB-A and one USB-C. It charges my phone, but my laptop calls me an a-hole if I try to plug it into the C port. I have a USB3 hub that I use for charging things at my desktop and powering a Roku. It's messy though.
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Yay, greenwashing with profit (Score:3)
That easily increases the profit margin by dozens of Euros a piece.
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Next they won't include a computer but you'll get the cool Apple box you can show off to your friends.
At least your iphone is put together (Score:2)
The first apples, you had to supply your own plywood to screw the keyboard and computer internal guts down to. [1]https://youtu.be/oekjffmeLys?t... [youtu.be] What a pampered society we've become.
[1] https://youtu.be/oekjffmeLys?t=80
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> That easily increases the profit margin by dozens of Euros a piece.
Again, it's not greenwashing when you're actually doing something that has an effect, like not shipping e-waste to people who don't specifically go and source it.
It's 2025, there's nothing special about laptop chargers to the point that I have 3 of them in a drawer somewhere unused. Multi-port desktop chargers are far superior and becoming ubiquitous. Even the wife simply plugs her laptop into whatever charger is laying around, whether that was for her phone or the USB sockets we have in the wall.
Now I hope
Magsafe (Score:1)
Great, I'll use my old MacBook charger.
Oh no! it's a MagSafe 1.
I guess I'll get the slightly newer MacBook charger.
Oh no! It's a MagSafe 2.
I guess I'll use the MagSafe 3 that came with the new laptop.
Oh no! It's not there.
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It's not Magsafe, it's USB C. Seems to be reasonably standard too, so you probably already have a compatible charger. The one for your iPhone will work, although probably slowly.
It's a good move. People end up with too many chargers, and because the EU requires them all to be USB C the chances of them actually needing to buy one are slim. Loads of e-waste. It also opens the market up to more competition if they do need to buy one.
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> Great, I'll use my old MacBook charger.
> Oh no! it's a MagSafe 1.
Those that bought a laptop with MagSafe 2 could use their MagSafe 1 chargers with an adapter. That was also something like 15 years ago since the change to MagSafe 2. Who is still using their Magsafe 1 charger besides me?
> I guess I'll get the slightly newer MacBook charger.
> Oh no! It's a MagSafe 2.
MagSafe 2 died about 10 years ago, and maxed out at 85 watts when newer Apple laptops started to use USB-C and come with 96 watt power supplies. The first Apple USB-C chargers were sized for something like 60 and 85 watts (same or similar to MagSafe 2 chargers) but they were replaced wit
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> Those that bought a laptop with MagSafe 2 could use their MagSafe 1 chargers with an adapter.
I had several of those! They worked really well, and were only ten bucks I think.
Main reason I liked them was I had a few right-angle MagSafe 1 chargers (from old Airs I think), which didn't appear to be an option with MagSafe 2.
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Regarding Lenovo, they have three kinds of chargers: the rectangular "slim tip" (yellow at the tip), the "round tip" barrel connector (also yellow at the tip), and USB-C. A notebook will have either a "slim tip" or "round tip" connector and usually one USB-C port that allows charging. You can't interchange chargers between "slip tip" and "round tip" computers.
Good. I have too many chargers (Score:2)
Just looking through my junk boxes I have about 40 charger blocks of various sizes and power outputs... including about 5 newer ones with USB-C higher power output.
I don't think I have ever had a power block fail.
Happy that they aren't including more potential electronic waste with every purchase.
Of course, knowing Apple, they won't reduce the price.
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Yeah, the problem is the charger block, not you buying a phone every other day...
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Are any 70 watt? I have a few 5-10 watt chargers that came with phones, and 65 watt USB-C chargers for my laptop. I assume Apple saw Dell and HP using 65 watts and just had to be a little different.
Seems like the EU is going through a self-defeating degree of effort to slightly reduce how much trash they produce.
Each European might now produce .002 kilos (2 entire grams!) of trash less each year. Wow. Totally worth the time, trouble, and cost. Definitely saved the planet there.
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That's 900 tonnes of waste a year by your own math, which seems to be quite low even for something pulled out of your rectum.
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980 tonnes = 980,000,000 grams, /450,400,000 Europeans = 2.175843694493783 grams per. Forgive me the rounding.
The source of that 980 tonnes is the summary above, which claims the rule saves that amount.
And if 980 tonnes of trash per year sounds like a lot, it isn't. The EU produces approximately 2,278,571 times more than that every year. 2,223,000,000 tonnes. According to bing anyhow, but even if that were off by three orders of magnitude, 980 tonnes would still be trivial.
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Correction to the reply I just gave - 980 tonnes didn't come from the summary, it comes from another user summarizing the law - [1]https://apple.slashdot.org/com... [slashdot.org]
It's been a long day.
[1] https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23821850&cid=65726980
Lame, yet. (Score:2)
I think it is BS for a device you are spending thousands of dollars on. It should include a charger.
That said 90% of the time I charge mine while it is docked into my the work station at my desk. I bring the charger with me whenever I bring the laptop elsewhere, but I rarely have to plug it in away from the desk because the battery really is all day and my office is in a room in my home. I did buy the cable to pug it into the dock though. At a minimum it should be included. But really Apple, and I say thi
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> I think it is BS for a device you are spending thousands of dollars on. It should include a charger.
I agree, and that policy of including a charger should include a $600 smartphone. If they can sell a 20 watt charger in a separate box for $19.00 then that's likely a near zero cost to them for including it in the box when done on scale.
> That said 90% of the time I charge mine while it is docked into my the work station at my desk. I bring the charger with me whenever I bring the laptop elsewhere, but I rarely have to plug it in away from the desk because the battery really is all day and my office is in a room in my home. I did buy the cable to pug it into the dock though. At a minimum it should be included. But really Apple, and I say this as a stockholder (albeit one small enough Iâ(TM)m sure you donâ(TM)t care), just include the fking charger. Because when you need it, you bloody need it.
I've been where you've been before. When you need that charger then you need it badly. Apple was forced into not including chargers by EU regulations, they didn't want to exclude chargers from the box. The same applied to the switch from Lightning to USB-C on many of the
Why not... (Score:2)
Include an add-on charging brick by default, but give people the option at purchase time to save $30 and select "do not include a charging brick"?
Good in theory (Score:2)
You can just use the generic chargers you have from all the other electronics. But in practice, they are broken or lost in a faster rate than the MacBooks..
Re: Good in theory (Score:2)
Good in theory, and in practice
For people like me that take good care of chargers, i can use one of my multittude of previous ones.
For people who destroy their chargers like there is no tomorrow, they can buy a replacemment charger fit to their needs.
You want ultra-low-price becuase you keep forgeting them, or the electricity spikes in your area keep burning them. Check
Yoiu want ultra low price and use the price difference for a good portable surge suppresor. Check
Want a high quality charger that can handle
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> Want a longer cable? A shorter one? Black? Gray ? Braided? All check.
Apple still includes the charging cable, which I would expect they would do as it there is a MagSafe port for charging. The MacBook can still charge from a standard USB-C cable if desired but the entire point of MagSafe is to not have your laptop jerked off the table because something was dropped, got tangled in the cable, and lead to $200+ in repair costs. I didn't like it that Apple got rid of MagSafe, and apparently so did many others, so it's back now. Without that cable people might be left unable t
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An addendum to my other comment...
> Want a high quality charger that can handle two (or more) devices and jhas a mixture of A and C ports? Check
Apple offers a high quality charger with two USB-C ports as an option with some (maybe all?) of their laptops. If people need USB-A then use an adapter. How many devices use USB-A for charging any more? How many people, especially those with a MacBook, won't have a couple spare USB-C/USB-A adapters on hand?
I had a collection of USB-A chargers because so many devices came with them and I was able to pare that collection down by gifting a two or three to my mom since I saw
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What, is the cost and inconvenience not worth saving the average European from having to throw out a whole extra 2 grams of trash?
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Wait. When you get a charger with your new device, it's the "right charger" for the device. You're saying that making non-tech-savvy consumers go buy one separately is better... because they'll always get the right one? Maybe you're thinking about cheap crap that comes with a cheap crap charger. This is about laptops. Are you so sure your grandma will go out and but "the right charger separately" for her new laptop? Or will she come back with one that has a long braided cable, 3 USB-C ports, and a thi
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Not for 70W. I'd hazard a guess only a small number of your chargers are 70W, and the ones you have came with a laptop.
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You have a 70-watt USB-C charger lying around? I have a 65 or two, for the laptop I'm typing on, but no 70s.
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> You have a 70-watt USB-C charger lying around? I have a 65 or two, for the laptop I'm typing on, but no 70s.
How many people have a 140 watt charger lying around? The 16-inch models include a 140 watt charger, and the higher end 14-inch models include a 96 watt charger.
I recall the largest USB-C charger I have is rated something like 85 watts. That might be enough for the high end 14-inch laptops even though they come with one that's more powerful but I'd expect disappointing performance if using that with a 16-inch laptop.
Apple laptops won't charge from two chargers at the same time so it's not like two 65 watt
Apple of course plays the "proprietary" game (Score:2)
Apple being Apple thought hard how to circumvent EU regulation to continue scamming their believers, and of course came up with yet another proprietary USB power delivery extension called "AVS", that is supported only by overpriced devices. See here for example the "Apple exclusive" variant of an Anker power supply, which is worse than the original variant in every aspect except for supporting the Apple proprietary extension: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaQ6ZjzehpY
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I didn't see anything in the linked video about AVS. Did I miss it somehow? Can you specify the time AVS was discussed?
There's nothing Apple specific about AVS, it is part of USB-PD version 3.1. AVS is something of an update to PPS, a means to allow for the higher voltages allowed by v3.1 and perhaps more I'm not seeing. That wasn't in the video, I had to seek that out elsewhere.
I'm not seeing anything from my searches on the web to indicate that Apple uses AVS anywhere. So, what are you talking about
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> in practice, they are broken or lost in a faster rate than the MacBooks
That would be a welcome change if it's true. Before I stopped buying and using Macs (bought my last Mac in 2010), MagSafe power adapters gave me more trouble than most other power supplies. The DC cable would end up breaking internally and either get an open circuit or a short. They'd sometimes get leaky capacitors (as in leaking current, not leaking electrolyte) before the DC cable failed, allowing enough mains voltage to couple to t