Japan Asks OpenAI To Stop Sora 2 From Infringing on 'Irreplaceable Treasures' Anime and Manga
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- News link: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/25/10/15/133206/japan-asks-openai-to-stop-sora-2-from-infringing-on-irreplaceable-treasures-anime-and-manga
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The request was made online by the Cabinet Office's Intellectual Property Strategy Headquarters. Sora 2, which launched recently, generates twenty-second videos at 1080p resolution. Social media is getting filled with videos showing characters from One Piece, Demon Slayer, Pokemon and Mario. Digital Minister Masaaki Taira expressed hopes that OpenAI would comply voluntarily. He indicated that measures under Japan's AI Promotion Act may be invoked if the issue remains unresolved.
[1] https://www.ign.com/articles/japanese-government-calls-on-sora-2-maker-openai-to-refrain-from-copyright-infringement-says-characters-from-manga-and-anime-are-irreplaceable-treasures-that-japan-boasts-to-the-world
Don't they realize? (Score:2)
The AI industry is based on copyright infringement and plagiarism. If they stopped using copyrighted material and limited themselves to stuff in the public domain, all of their training material would be decades out of date and then where would they be?
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Where would anyone be if we couldn't learn from and utilize the work of others. How would it be possible to calculate the hypotenuse of a right-triangle if nobody was allowed to infringe on Pythagorus' patent? I should be allowed to encode my knowledge into a computer. If not, then no CAD program is legal because the CAD programmer used ideas from various textbooks.
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And this is why patents and copyrights are for a limited time, after which they enter the public domain and are free for anybody to use. Yes, the Bern Convention extends copyrights to an unreasonable duration, but even they eventually end. You may or may not agree that morally what the AI companies are doing when they use copyrighted material without permission and without paying royalties is theft, but that's what the law says, and that law should be enforced.
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Ever hear of clean room reverse engineering? Perfectly legal, and the only current legal way to replicate someone else's protected work. OpenAI has decided that was too much work; which is true since it would probably take 100 years to do what they did in a few by simply copying everything from everyone without permission.
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How come? If we wanted to infringe on works would just .. you know .. download them? Using AI means we Don't want those original works.
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Maybe before you try discussing this situation you should take the time to learn what copyrights are and why they were invented because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Why make this about me? I asked a legit question. It is easy to find anything online, and see the original. Most of it is officially from the source, but there are a lot of "piracy" sites too. So if infringement was the goal, it would be easier to just get the original. It is fast, free and perfect fidelity. On the other hand generative AI will not replicate works closely, it costs money and is slow. Imagine generating bootleg Harry Potter, it would not work out, it would cost a lot, and take a long time. S
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I didn't "make it about you." I pointed out that if you understood how copyright works, you wouldn't have had to ask.
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I feel like AI companies are rushing to train AI models faster than copyright holders figure out how to deal with this problem.
AI is a tool (Score:2)
Image generators are not selling copyright material, but they are selling an easy way to produce copyright material. It's like they are selling an advanced version of photoshop, but instead of drawing a perfect circle like photo shop allows, it draws much easier and faster. These productions should not be subject to copyright law whatsoever as they are only produced by the tool because of the user's actions. The copyright would still come into play when users use or sell that material.
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A good take, I agree. Let's say we generate 100 pics privately, and as most gen AI images, only see them once and promptly move on. Is this private use infringing? Even if it doesn't look substantially like anything in the training set?
AI is a loaded weapon. (Score:2)
I agree about fair-use, but there is a huge amount of enablement coming from these tools.
I am going to use a bad analogy, you can buy a hammer and use it as a weapon - but you can also buy a firearm designed to be a weapon. I will argue that current AI training is more like the firearm with which the user can shoot themselves in the foot and bam: Trademark infringement lawyers are knocking at the door.
Late to this party (Score:2)
Hate to break it to him, but you can get those characters and style from pretty much any image generating model.
Re: Late to this party (Score:2)
They only need to go after the big fish. Should they succeed vs one of the biggest companies, the rest will rapidly realise that picking a fight will end badly and adjust their behaviour. It's a sensible strategy.
Pearl Harbor .. never forget. (Score:2)
The ships and lives at Pearl Harbor were irreplaceable treasures too. AI is too important for the world, Japan can't expect to make money off manga/anime forever. Americans made the first transistor, but the world makes them. We didn't even try to block that. At some point an invention, after the inventor has squeezed a reasonable benefit, becomes public domain (and that means Japanese too benefit from it). The reason is all inventions are based on prior inventions of others worldwide in some way.
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As if Japan is the only country to have ever attacked other countries. (BTW, If you want to paint the country from nearly a century ago in a bad light, something like the civilians of Nanjing would be a better choice.) Anyway, any "AI" worthy of the term or of great importance to the world shouldn't have to rape the whole internet before it can work properly and then fail to operate within any legal or ethical codes, it should be able to learn just from inputs from consenting sources and have some idea abou
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> The ships and lives at Pearl Harbor were irreplaceable treasures too.
The lives, yes. The ships, not at all. They were literally completely replaceable.
*Trademark infringement. (Score:2)
there, FTFY.
- Apple posts need not apply their (TM)'s everywhere, thanks.
Mixed feelings (Score:1)
Manga authors are incredibly overworked. Over and over and over again I find a manga or an anime I like and it only gets a few books or one season and I look why when the show is obviously popular and I find that the author had a nervous breakdown and had to stop because they were working 18 hours a day 7 days a week.
If it was not very profitable to produce anime and manga that would be one thing but Crunchyroll brings in over a hundred million dollars a month in subscription fees alone let alone all th
Re: Mixed feelings (Score:2)
And many studio houses use the same character images over and over again. So why are a few key people so over worked?
Such a strange industry
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There was a kid in my middle school, he had a pet goat. Every essay he wrote was about that damn goat. Finally, the teacher had enough and told him to write an essay about a tree. So his essay was started off "There was a big tall tree, and under that tree my goat played. That goat was an awesome goat who .. " etc. and thus he made his essay about his God damn goat.
Was that kid you? Did your stupid goat get run over by a capitalist? Because every fucking comment you write twists everything into we should be
As long as the stuff isn't being sold (Score:2)
...it should be legal to make it
And no, I don't like AI generated slop like this, but attempting to use the law to stop it is futile
Hopefully, this silly fad will flame out soon
chatBORG .. (Score:2)
Artificial intelligence can absorb and repurpose the works of others but intrinsically lacks original creativity. It tends to produce derivative, homogeneous outputs that risk creating a closed-loop creative system with limited innovation and diversity.
Boo hoo (Score:2)
Before an AI-bro comes in and yells "Bwaaaa.... it is just fair use, bro.", let me just tell you that Japanese copyright law does not have any concept of "Fair Use".
Re:Boo hoo (Score:4, Insightful)
Even so, infringement was supposed to be based on "substantial similarity", not "training". What they mean is to drop the similarity test and replace it with a simple "causal link". A broadening of copyright that will hurt creativity from now on.
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I didn't read anywhere that their complain was training (there are many complaint about training though). But Sora2 is creating basically infringing videos and that seems to be there issue. The whole reason training on copyrighted works get brought up is because it then allows the models to create infringing work based on the original. The whole worry about training on One Piece is that they can then use it to create videos with characters from One Piece or based on One Piece, which would be infringement. I
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No, it's very much just the fact that they are ripping off the characters.
Copyright in Japan is interesting. There is a lot of unlicensed use of characters in unofficial books, often but not always pornographic. There is also a lot of non-commercial fan art use. It's all tolerated, even if it is technically infringing.
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Are you saying VCRs and DVRs(for the new crowd) are illegal in Japan?
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Supposedly there is a doctrine in Japan called shiteki-fukusei which allows private duplication of television content for personal use, so no, VCRs or DVRs are not illegal. However this isn't really the same as the concept of "fair use" in the context of creating derivative works, which is the issue here.