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  ARM Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life (Terry Pratchett, Jingo)

ChatGPT, iPhone History Found for Uber Driver Charged With Starting California's Palisades Fire (bbc.com)

(Saturday October 11, 2025 @11:34AM (EditorDavid) from the phone-tracking dept.)


"A 29-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of starting the Pacific Palisades fire in Los Angeles that killed 12 people and destroyed more than 6,000 homes in January," [1]reports the BBC .

"Evidence collected from Jonathan Rinderknecht's digital devices included an image he generated on ChatGPT depicting a burning city, justice department officials said."

> Mr Rinderknecht had been living and working in California, and moved to Florida shortly after the fire, according to authorities. The initial blaze Mr Rinderknecht allegedly started on New Year's Day was called the Lachman fire. Although it was quickly suppressed by firefighters, it continued to smoulder underground in the root structure of dense vegetation, according to investigators, before it flared up again above ground in a windstorm [nearly a week later]... He lit it with an open flame after he completed a ride as an Uber driver on New Year's Eve, according to the indictment.

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> Two passengers rode with Mr Rinderknecht earlier on New Year's Eve. One passenger told investigators he remembered the driver had appeared agitated and angry. Officials said they had used his phone data to pinpoint his location when the fire initially started on 1 January, but when they pressed him on details he allegedly lied to investigators, claiming he was near the bottom of the trail... The phone also showed that he repeatedly called 911 just after midnight on New Year's day, but could not get through because of patchy mobile reception on the trailhead. There was a screen recording of him trying to call emergency services and at one point being connected with a dispatcher. Mr Rinderknecht also asked ChatGPT: "Are you at fault if a fire is lift [sic] because of your cigarettes?"

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> Investigators said the suspect wanted to "preserve evidence of himself trying to assist in the suppression of the fire". "He wanted to create evidence regarding a more innocent explanation for the cause of the fire," the indictment said... In July 2024, five months before he allegedly set the fire, Mr Rinderknecht asked ChatGPT to create an image of a "dystopian painting" that included a burning forest and a crowd of people running away from a fire, according to investigators.

The [2]announcement from officials suggests they retrieved data about Rinderknecht's iPhone. It says after walking up the trailer Rinderknecht "listened to a rap song — to which he had listened repeatedly in previous days — whose music video included things being lit on fire."



[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8exz5yg14ko

[2] https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/florida-man-arrested-federal-criminal-complaint-alleging-he-maliciously-started-what



Clearly not the sharpest knife in the set! (Score:2)

by Finallyjoined!!! ( 1158431 )

He's a butter knife

Notice how everything he did (Score:1, Insightful)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Was meticulously tracked and readily available to the police? Maybe that's something that should give us all some pause.

Re: (Score:1)

by Tailhook ( 98486 )

Past this BBC groomed narrative, there is plenty of details on your little firebug.

Re: (Score:3)

by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

I don't see "plenty of details" about his political affiliation, only some evidence that he was anti-religious. But I've known some conservatives who were that, so it proves nothing.

[1]https://www.latimes.com/califo... [latimes.com]

[2]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/1... [nytimes.com]

Got anything to support your claims?

[1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-08/who-is-the-uber-driver-accused-of-intentionally

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/08/us/palisades-fire-arrest-jonathan-rinderknecht.html

Asking for a friend. (Score:2)

by Bongo ( 13261 )

Always remember your disclaimer, people!

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by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

He intentionally started a fire in the first place so fuck him.

Why announce it? (Score:2)

by BytePusher ( 209961 )

Shouldn't the evidence be presented in trial and evaluated by a judge and jury? Why announce their findings to the public before it's been validated?

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by ArchieBunker ( 132337 )

Well when your cabinet consists of DEI and DUI hires it’s no real surprise. It’s not like the head of the military texted classified bombing information to a journalist. Oh wait, never mind.

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by skam240 ( 789197 )

They're letting the public know what's going on with a major investigation of significant public interest just like with other high profile criminals and crimes. This is incredibly normal behavior from both government and the news media.

3... 2... 1... Let's blame rap music! (Score:2)

by chas.williams ( 6256556 )

I am curious why music is mentioned in the article.

Reporters like Bill Greider from the Washington Post and Him
Naughton of the New York Times, for instance, had to file long, detailed,
and relatively complex stories every day -- while my own deadline fell
every two weeks -- but neither of them ever seemed in a hurry about
getting their work done, and from time to time they would try to console
me about the terrible pressure I always seemed to be laboring under.
Any $100-an-hour psychiatrist could probably explain this problem
to me, in thirteen or fourteen sessions, but I don't have time for that.
No doubt it has something to do with a deep-seated personality defect, or
maybe a kink in whatever blood vessel leads into the pineal gland... On
the other hand, it might be something as simple & basically perverse as
whatever instinct it is that causes a jackrabbit to wait until the last
possible second to dart across the road in front of a speeding car.
-- Hunter S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail"