Neon Pays Users To Record Their Phone Calls, Sell Data To AI Firms
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/09/24/2034203/neon-pays-users-to-record-their-phone-calls-sell-data-to-ai-firms
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> The app, Neon Mobile, pitches itself as a money-making tool offering "hundreds or even thousands of dollars per year" for access to your audio conversations. Neon's website says the company pays 30 cents per minute when you call other Neon users and up to $30 per day maximum for making calls to anyone else. The app also pays for referrals.
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> According to Neon's terms of service, the company's mobile app can capture users' inbound and outbound phone calls. However, Neon's marketing claims to only record your side of the call unless it's with another Neon user. That data is being sold to "AI companies," the company's terms of service state, "for the purpose of developing, training, testing, and improving machine learning models, artificial intelligence tools and systems, and related technologies."
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> Despite what Neon's privacy policy says, its terms include a very broad license to its user data, where Neon grants itself a: "...worldwide, exclusive, irrevocable, transferable, royalty-free, fully paid right and license (with the right to sublicense through multiple tiers) to sell, use, host, store, transfer, publicly display, publicly perform (including by means of a digital audio transmission), communicate to the public, reproduce, modify for the purpose of formatting for display, create derivative works as authorized in these Terms, and distribute your Recordings, in whole or in part, in any media formats and through any media channels, in each instance whether now known or hereafter developed." That leaves plenty of wiggle room for Neon to do more with users' data than it claims. The terms also include an extensive section on beta features, which have no warranty and may have all sorts of issues and bugs.
Peter Jackson, cybersecurity and privacy attorney at Greenberg Glusker, told TechCrunch: "Once your voice is over there, it can be used for fraud. Now, this company has your phone number and essentially enough information -- they have recordings of your voice, which could be used to create an impersonation of you and do all sorts of fraud."
[1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/neon-money-talks/id6745481255
[2] https://techcrunch.com/2025/09/24/neon-the-no-2-social-app-on-the-apple-app-store-pays-users-to-record-their-phone-calls-and-sells-data-to-ai-firms/
[3] https://neonmobile.com/privacypolicy
Trade lorem ipsum (Score:1)
So if you trade lines from lorem ipsum across the phone every day you can get $30? How long does it take?
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Ten phones with bots chatting to each other for ten minutes a day? Anybody got an old iPhone they don't want anymore?
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$30? Amateur. If you get a bank of hundreds of SIM cards and have them "call" each other, you could make big bucks.
They're not burning their own cash (Score:3)
Because nobody would be that stupid. Who's funding these idiots?
Second? (Score:1)
Apple is so strange and foreign to me. How on earth is this app the second most popular?! Which app is at the top of the list. Let me guess. Something that films you while you sleep and inserts ads in your dreams? Sign me up, Apple!
Just what we need, AI that tries to sell us... (Score:2)
Car warrantys.
I WAS interested (Score:3)
At $30/day, sign me up!
At 30 cents/minute, fuck that. I'd never make any money. I hardly use my phone to actually make or receive calls.
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Unfortunately you won't make much money, because 30 dollars is the cap, and they'll only pay 15 cents a minute if you call people who aren't also users of their app (they pay 15 cents per microphone). Source: [1]https://neonmobile.com/faq [neonmobile.com]
[1] https://neonmobile.com/faq
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Just have one AI agent call another one.
Two party consent (Score:2)
Deal with that.
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According to the summary, they do deal with that, presumably by only recording the mic input rather than the whole conversation.
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Not sure about Iphones, but all Androids I could record calls on, with exactly the issue of recording both sides (thanks Google for making choices instead of me), could record mic only and the other sides audio leaked through the phone body to mic easily. Yes, not as loud as wished, but undoubtedly clear what the talk was. So this argument would almost surely not hold in reality.