> Such fear mongering and fud. It's more than a little pathetic.

Such vagueposting.

It may not be cutting edge, but if any western brand had done it they would sell it as a disruptive innovation based on pure genius. Let's give credit where credit is due; the Chinese have built systems of production and a skilled workforce that is hard to compete with. It's not possible to do in a purely capitalist economy. It requires centralized planning and collaboration across industries. It requires companies not maximizing profits today, so that an industrial ecosystem can emerge in the future that i

I bet the Chinese programmers are pretty good. Let's be honest - programming isn't exactly cutting-edge science. Variables. Classes. Methods. Basic software engineering at this point. Bread-and-butter stuff nowadays. And the programming industry in China is heavily bankrolled by the Chinese government, so they've basically taxed their citizens in order to throw hordes of money and people at the problem to develop the designs as fast as possible. No surprise they've made quick progress. Why shouldn't we leverage their work, especially for something that totally isn't at the cutting edge any more? Answer: Because if you want to have ANY jobs left in the Western World it's time to start rejecting slave labor wages and 108 hour+ work weeks along with living IN the factory that China manages. And once you lose the ability to manufacture and support the basics, you quickly lose the impetus to have the advanced development here either. You might have a little design studio where they paint pretty pictures of new models before they send them to the Chinese to make.

And shortly thereafter, the Chinese take that too.

Wake up. Look at how many foreign cars are in your parking lots folks. Those 'industry experts' they are quoting are almost certainly only worried about short term profits. After all, that's what our higher education teaches all those MBA's.

The question being: Will you be able get an U.S. or Japanese EV then which is not based on Chinese technology? And does it make sense to keep up a mindset adapted to internal combustion engines in an era of electrical cars? Do you know which parts usually wear out and fail in EVs, and after which time? The Nissan Leaf is not a good example. It was prone to battery wear far above the expected rate. Newer EVs have battery wear far below the expected rate. And do you know when the innovation in EV design slows

> they better be making their own plans for replacement parts

And that appears to be the case, the Chinese are merely providing the IP under license.

The EU automakers are "looking to use Chinese intellectual property to roll out new models rapidly". "Chinese automakers sell EV technology in a box". It will be a "licensing and royalty service".

> They have a history of developing whizzy auto models, and then dropping all support a few years later.

> [snip] When I buy my first EV, I'll stick with US or Japanese. Those companies know how to keep a car alive for 15-20 years.

What do you actually base this on? Where's this history you speak of? China has well known brands that not only have been around for over a decade, but you can still source parts for BYD's earliest cars. This sounds like a baseless trope which has been repeated.

Even better the world is actually well known for supporting cars better than their manufacturers. When my Clio glearbox sensor died the original Siemens part was not longer manufactured. I had no problem sourcing a replacement from ... China. It's th

> Let's be honest, EV drivetrain design isn't exactly cutting-edge science.

LOL. A simple EV drivetrain is easy. A modern EV? It's an engineering work of art, with specialized power electrics, electric motors with power density that is insane, etc.

A lot of complexity is not apparent to classic mechanical engineers, but it's no less real. If anything, it's the gasoline engines that require no real expertise anymore.

There is legal requirement for availability of spare parts on each major market. Also, specs need to be open so that OEMs can produce them (even in case original manufacturer ends support).

You vastly under-estimate the technology that goes into EV drivetrains. Compare early models like the Leaf and Tesla Roadster/S to modern ones. The modern ones are vastly more efficient, despite the cars being larger and heavier. Everything from the mechanical parts of the drivetrain, to the motors, to the motor driving electronics, to the regen, to the throttle and brake response, to the cruise control, or the battery thermal management, has all been heavily optimized, and continues to be.

Same with batteri

Sounds like a problem for capitalism.

> Self-driving .. that will change the world dramatically. We're probably about a decade away from the first truly self-driving car being on the road, but when it happens it will trigger a slow revolution such that by 2050 a majority of vehicles will be self driving.

Self driving will happen when the manufacturers are willing to assume the insurance liability. So not anytime soon.

So, Ford will soon steal Chinese tech.

Not really crazy. It is how it has worked for centuries. The new innovative society gets fat dumb and happy, outsources the labor to another group, and then is surprised with the other group suddenly becomes the master. China is replacing the US, just as the US replace Great Britain. What did Darth Vader say, "The student is now the master".

The Corvette is every bit as capable as a Ferrari these days but I'm hearing reports of brand new ones needing engine rebuilds. Typical GM quality.

The P7 is a run of the mill Tesla 3 clone with small cargo area. The G6 and G9 are however interesting, because they compete with the Model Y, Enyaq, EQC, instead.

The correct mindset to look into your statement, is to look at what it would cost to buy the lowest spec Tesla Model 3, when it was possible to get some heft subsidies in USA. Its not that far off. It gives a indication of how much of the vehicle is taxes, and how much is the internal markup for not being the smallest ecobox to the OEM.

In the end