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400 'Tech Utopian' Refuges Consider New Crypto-Friendly State (latimes.com)

(Sunday August 31, 2025 @11:34PM (EditorDavid) from the in-crypto-we-trust dept.)


"Nearly 400 students, many of them entrepreneurs, have so far made the journey to Forest City to study everything from coding to unconventional theories on statehood," [1]reports Bloomberg .

"They're building crypto projects, fine-tuning their physiques and testing whether a shared ideology — rather than just shared territory — can bind a community."

> They have descended on Forest City to attend Network School, the brainchild of former Coinbase Inc. executive and "The Network State" author Balaji Srinivasan. In this troubled megaproject once envisaged to house some 50 times its current population, they're conducting a real-life experiment of sorts with Srinivasan's vision of "startup societies" defined less by historical territory than shared beliefs in technology, cryptocurrency and light regulation... Mornings are spent in product sprints and coding sessions; afternoons in seminars exploring topics from the Meiji Restoration to Singapore's statecraft and the mechanics of decentralized governance. Guest lectures double as both technological deep dives and ideological sermons, according to half a dozen students interviewed by Bloomberg. The campus also mirrors Silicon Valley's infatuation with longevity and health, right down to a commercial-grade gym and specially designed workout routines. Students follow a protein-heavy diet...

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> After co-founding DNA testing startup Counsyl in 2008 and serving as its chief technology officer, Srinivasan spent five years at venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, first as general partner and then as board partner. He joined Coinbase as CTO in 2018 when the crypto exchange bought a portfolio company he oversaw and left after a little over a year, according to his LinkedIn profile. In a 2013 speech at Y Combinator's Startup School, Srinivasan brought his ideas about what he saw as a fundamental conflict between some modern nation-states and innovation to a wider audience. In the address, he advocated for Silicon Valley's "ultimate exit" from the U.S., which he argued was obsolete and hostile to innovators. In essence: If the society you live in is broken, why not just "opt out" and create a new one?

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> "The Network State: How To Start a New Country," published in 2022, expanded on Srinivasan's "exit" concept to outline how online, ideologically aligned communities can use crypto and digital tools to form new, decentralized states. A network state can be geographically dispersed and bound together by the internet and blockchains, he says, and the aim is to gain diplomatic recognition... On the Moment of Zen podcast in September 2023, he outlined how the "Gray Tribe" — entrepreneurs, innovators and thinkers — can retake control of San Francisco from the Blues using a variety of tactics, like allying with local police. The effort would involve gaining control of territory, according to Srinivasan, who didn't advocate for violence. "Elections are just the cherry on the cake," he said. "Elections are just a reflection of your total control of the streets."

The cost of attending Network School "starts at $1,500 per month, including lodging and food, for those who opt for a shared room."



[1] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-08-29/broken-100-billion-dream-city-becomes-refuge-for-tech-utopians



A school to train Fascists (Score:2)

by ChesterRafoon ( 4205907 )

Isn't something similar being considered for Solano County?

"retake control of San Francisco from the Blues" (Score:2)

by spazmonkey ( 920425 )

Plus doing so by ignoring elections and using the police. That is a dystopian culture war, not a school.

This is a bunch of people too prissy or cowardly to join the Proud Boys or America First and show real swastikas -Still only Nazis, just too afraid to admit it.

Sure... (Score:2)

by Valgrus Thunderaxe ( 8769977 )

Intentional communities work in the first generation, because all the founders are on the same sheet of music and are there by their own free will.

It falls apart when people are born into it. Most children do the exact opposite of what their parents do, and that's why they always fall apart.

Re: (Score:2)

by Tailhook ( 98486 )

How have the Amish survived your theory?

I do doubt the even medium term viability of a tech bro utopia, however. Without outside consequences, 95% of the members would end up in dungeon.

The Amish are pretty nasty (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

Despite all the cute media you see for them they're more or less a cult.

They survived by periodically kicking people out who don't conform or who aren't useful enough which is great for those people because they have basically no skills whatsoever and a lot of times can barely read because they aren't properly educated.

I mean think about it the land they occupy hasn't grown but they encourage large families. The math doesn't work out...

Re: (Score:2)

by Valgrus Thunderaxe ( 8769977 )

Yes, that's the thing. These intentional communities that tend to survive most people would call them a cult.

Re: (Score:1)

by registrations_suck ( 1075251 )

Check your ignorance.

The land the Amish occupy HAS grown. Every so often, which a local group has decided it has grown too large to maintain the sense of community it so highly values, it splits up, with a subgroup going off to colonize a new area.

So, yeah. The math DOES work out.

Re: (Score:3)

by sg_oneill ( 159032 )

Oh they rarely survive a few years. Even if on they are all on the same sheet of paper, it turns out a society actually needs a lot of people on different sheets of paper to function.

Not everyone gets to be "dear leader". Some people have to flip hamburgers or dear leader wont get any hamburgers. Even in "flat" heirachies where everyone is equal in power, you just need a diverse range of people and temperaments. Whos going to defend the colony. Whos going to collect the garbage. Whos going to clean up senil

Sounds like stupid-central (Score:3)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

Obviously the instigators will still profit, but the marks are just getting ripped off.

Re: (Score:2)

by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 )

Not so sure. It's hard to figure out whether it's run by deluded scammers or just deluded in general. The victims, "students, many of them entrepreneurs [a fancy-sounding synonym for wastrel]" are certainly in the latter camp.

No Big 3 - this will fail (Score:1)

by memory_register ( 6248354 )

Anthropologists have found that last cultures have the Big 3 Cs: Creed, Code, and Cult.

Creed is shared beliefs in the fundamental nature of reality. Code is a set of moral strictures like the 10 Commandments. Cult is shared worship and communal celebration. Crypto-utopians have a mild version of Creed, and thats about it.

Re: (Score:2)

by spazmonkey ( 920425 )

Crypto-utopians do have something akin to a code, even if it is involves little more than justifying the exploitation and oppression of all those they consider inferior.

Also have something akin to cult - that these incels are racially, intellectually and physically superior to all others and therefore have a mandate to control everyone and everything.

They have a sick and broken culture, but it is a relatively complete cultural construct.

Protection (Score:2)

by karmawarrior ( 311177 )

Any way to build a wall around them and maybe disconnect them from the Internet? You just know they're the kinds of assholes that will be feeding their AIs by hammering websites for no good reason, posting garbage to social media, and generally just making everything worse.

Re: (Score:2)

by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 )

It's a bunch of broken people meeting in a broken city which was carved out of the Malaysian jungle. It should be simple to blow up the bridges and cut all the cables going in.

Re: (Score:2)

by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 )

They'll do it themselves.

Every attempted isolated "society" of "visionaries" has so far failed, this one, if it ever gets that far, will be no exception.

If anything, a bunch of morons with no other skills than "trading crypto" will die off even faster than usual.

Swap crypto for 'AI utopia' and I'm in (Score:2)

by oumuamua ( 6173784 )

I see the US more heading for AI dystopia than utopia. It is the default path: don't change anything about the economic system and you will automatically get dystopia as people one-by-one loose their jobs to AI and robots. An enlightened country (or a new country) on the other hand would use AI and robots to provide all citizens free shelter, food, healthcare and education.

Conquest is easy. Control is not.
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