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Five Indie Bands Quit Spotify After Founder's AI Weapons Tech Investment (theguardian.com)

(Saturday August 30, 2025 @09:34PM (EditorDavid) from the islands-in-the-streaming dept.)


At the moment, the Spotify exodus of 2025 is a trickle rather than a flood, [1]writes the Guardian , citing the departure of five notable bands "liked in indie circles," but not "the sorts to rack up billions of listens."

"Still, it feels significant if only because, well, this sort of thing wasn't really supposed to happen any more."

> Plenty of bands and artists refused to play ball with Spotify in its early years, when the streamer still had work to do before achieving total ubiquity. But at some point there seemed to a collective recognition that resistance was futile, that Spotify had won and those bands would have to bend to its less-than-appealing model... This artist acquiescence happened in tandem — surely not coincidentally — with a closer relationship between Spotify and the record labels that once viewed it as their destroyer. Some of the bigger labels have found a way to make a lot of money from streaming: Spotify paid out $10bn in royalties last year — though many artists would point out that [2]only a small fraction of that reaches them after their label takes its share...

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> So why have those five bands departed in quick succession? The trigger was the announcement that Spotify founder Daniel Ek had led a [3]€6oom fundraising push into a German defence company specialising in AI weapons technology. That was enough to prompt Deerhoof, the veteran San Francisco oddball noise pop band, to jump. "We don't want our music killing people," was how they bluntly explained their move on Instagram. That seems to have also been the animating factor for the rest of the departed, though GY!BE, who aren't on any social media platforms, removed their music from Spotify — and indeed all other platforms aside from Bandcamp — without issuing a statement, while Hotline TNT's statement seemed to frame it as one big element in a broader ideological schism. "The company that bills itself as the steward of all recorded music has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that it does not align with the band's values in any way," the statement read.

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> That speaks to a wider artist discontent in a company that has, even by its own standards, had a controversial couple of years. There was of course the publication of Liz Pelly's marmalade-dropper of a book [4] Mood Machine , with its blow-by-blow explanation of why Spotify's model is so deleterious to musicians, including allegations that the streamer is filling its playlists with "ghost artists" to further push down the number of streams, and thus royalty payments, to real artists (Spotify denies this). The streamer continues to amend its model in ways that have caused frustration — demonetising artists with fewer than 1,000 streams, or by introducing [5]a new bundling strategy resulting in lower royalty fees. Meanwhile, the company — along with other streamers — has struggled to police a steady flow of [6]AI-generated tracks and artists on to the platform...

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> [R]emoving yourself from such an important platform is highly risky. But if they can pull it off, the sacrifice might just be worth it. "A cooler world is possible," as Hotline TNT put it in their statement.

The Guardian's culture editor adds that "I've been using Bandcamp more, even — gasp — buying albums..."

"Maybe weaning ourselves off not just Spotify, but the way that Spotify has convinced us to consume music is the only answer. Then a cooler world might be possible."



[1] https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/aug/29/indie-bands-are-quitting-spotify-what-could-it-mean-for-the-future-of-music-streaming

[2] https://inews.co.uk/culture/music/greed-gaslighting-and-ndas-how-record-labels-get-rich-while-artists-suffer-3578006

[3] https://go.skimresources.com/?id=114047X1572903&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2025%2F06%2F17%2Fspotifys-daniel-ek-leads-investment-in-defense-startup-helsing.html&sref=https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2025/aug/29/indie-bands-are-quitting-spotify-what-could-it-mean-for-the-future-of-music-streaming&xcust=referrer%7Cnone%7CaccountId%7C114047X1572903

[4] https://guardianbookshop.com/mood-machine-9781399718844/

[5] https://www.nme.com/news/music/spotify-wins-bundling-lawsuit-over-controversy-that-lowered-artist-payments-3833099

[6] https://www.theguardian.com/music/2025/jun/03/ai-bot-farms-and-innocent-indie-victims-how-music-streaming-became-a-hotbed-of-and-fakery



Spotify Generosity (Score:1)

by hadleyburg ( 823868 )

Fortunately, those 5 indie bands, in leaving Spotify, are probably not making much of a sacrifice financially.

Re:Spotify Generosity (Score:5, Funny)

by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 )

Sorry bands we can't pay you much, we simply were forced to shell out $250M to Joe Rogan so he can continue to make dumb guys feel smart and [1]can continue to ruin comedy [youtube.com]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewvRS3NwIlQ

I already use Band Camp (Score:4, Insightful)

by sarren1901 ( 5415506 )

That's where I get most of my new music, as pretty much all the artist I actively follow sell there. That or I buy the CD at the show and then rip it into mp3s. Easier just to pay the same amount and get mp3s off Band Camp.

I have well over a 1000s mp3s covering numerous different genres. It's easy to play stuff off my phone over bluetooth. Why would I ever bother with paying a subscription?

Re: (Score:2)

by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

> Easier just to pay the same amount and get mp3s off Band Camp.

Easier varies between people. For me there's nothing easy about MP3s and I suspect the same applies to everyone who has a set of speakers which support Spotify Connect.

Re: (Score:3)

by theurge14 ( 820596 )

Why would you get a set of speakers tied to an app?

Re: (Score:2)

by registrations_suck ( 1075251 )

For me, easy is listening to the same shit I have been listening to since 1995 or so.

How to get Bandcamp music to iPhone? (Score:2)

by tepples ( 727027 )

> I have well over a 1000s mp3s covering numerous different genres. It's easy to play stuff off my phone over bluetooth. Why would I ever bother with paying a subscription?

My roommate doesn't pay a subscription on her iPhone SE 3 because she's on a relative's Apple Music family plan.

That and I don't know how to get an MP3 albums purchased through Bandcamp onto her iPhone without buying a Mac new enough to run supported macOS or a PC new enough to run supported Windows. Nor do I know of any iPhone app other than the included Music app that lets a playlist contain both purchased music and subscription music. Last I checked, even though libimobiledevice can read and write files

Re: How to get Bandcamp music to iPhone? (Score:2)

by Moochman ( 54872 )

For 25 dollars a year you can use the Apple Music app on Windows and it's iTunes Match feature.

Re: How to get Bandcamp music to iPhone? (Score:2)

by Moochman ( 54872 )

Sorry, didn't read far enough to see the part about Linux. But iTunes Match should also still work on iTunes, as the name suggests. Then there is no need to transfer the mp3s, it's all in the cloud and available alongside any other purchased music, as long as the artist's tracks are indeed also available on the Apple Music store, iirc.

Re: How to get Bandcamp music to iPhone? (Score:2)

by Moochman ( 54872 )

Forgot to add, you can match mp3s from pretty much any source and in any quality, and they will all be upgraded to 256kbps AAC and backed up for you permanently in the cloud, even if you cancel your subscription. :)

Re: (Score:2)

by tepples ( 727027 )

> as long as the artist's tracks are indeed also available on the Apple Music store

I'm in touch with a few artists that have set up a Bandcamp artist account, and others who have an Itch.io account to upload albums packaged with Bandcrash, before they complete all the paperwork to get listed on Apple Music. Likewise, from 2014 to 2017, a bunch of artists were exclusive to GhostTunes (which later merged with Amazon) because they preferred its album-only sales structure and greater royalty rate. I admit that it wouldn't apply to most of what my roommate listens to (top 40 pop, pop standards

Re: No-name bands⦠(Score:2)

by Moochman ( 54872 )

Deerhoof is not no name, at least to me. They've been around for a long time and even played a gig at my college back around 2004. Also this could provide some more publicity. Just like when Vulfpeck put out a silent Spotify album to hack the system into paying them more royalties - I think that's how I found out about them in the first place, and have since becomd a fan.

Re: (Score:2)

by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 )

If you are a band of the size like any of the ones mentioned it's been known and practiced for a good while now that performing live is where the money is. Yeah there's money from streaming but it's more you need you music on these services as a requisite of being a band at all not necessarily a huge revenue center.

King Gizzard has released some albums for free, at least one I know of (Polygondwanaland) they didn't even sell at all and just released the master tracks, artwork and a vinyl master for free.

Re: Put the blame where it belongs (Score:2)

by Moochman ( 54872 )

Not sure where this whole aspect of signing with a label ties into this story, I don't get the impression that these bands are looking to do that in any case.

Re: (Score:2)

by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 )

Yeah all these bands are either on indie labels or have their own labels.

Switch to qobuz (Score:3)

by maliqua ( 1316471 )

It's not American owned

Re: Switch to qobuz (Score:2)

by Moochman ( 54872 )

Spotify is Swedish. But thanks for the tip.

Re: (Score:2)

by DrMrLordX ( 559371 )

National security?

Re: (Score:2)

by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

Sounds like a band itself. The first punk show I went to see was Political Silence, National Security would be a great opener

Re: (Score:2)

by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 )

No surprise there's one already. I can't listen now to verify its punkitude.

[1]https://www.nationalsecurityba... [nationalsecurityband.com]

[1] https://www.nationalsecurityband.com/

The Guardian is awful (Score:1)

by TheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 )

Just a bunch of super lefty bullshit. Not worth the bits it's written on.

Perfect Trifecta (Score:1)

by registrations_suck ( 1075251 )

People I've never heard of, protesting investment in a company I never heard of, leaving a company whose services I've never used.

It's a perfect trifecta of Who Gives A Fuck?

md (Score:1)

by Venova ( 6474140 )

bring back minidisc and cds if you want a cooler world and maybe even ipods that magsafe clip on your iphone

If you think before you speak the other guy gets his joke in first.