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China Urges Firms To Avoid Nvidia H20 Chips After Trump Resumes Sales (yahoo.com)

(Tuesday August 12, 2025 @05:20PM (BeauHD) from the security-concerns dept.)


An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg:

> Beijing has [1]urged local companies to avoid using Nvidia's H20 processors , particularly for government-related purposes, complicating the chipmaker's return to China after the Trump administration [2]reversed an effective US ban on such sales. Over the past few weeks, Chinese authorities have sent notices to a range of firms discouraging use of the less-advanced semiconductors, people familiar with the matter said. The guidance was particularly strong against the use of H20s for any government or national security-related work by state enterprises or private companies, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the information is sensitive. The letters didn't, however, constitute an outright ban on H20 use, according to the people. Industry analysts broadly agree that Chinese companies still covet those chips, which perform quite well in certain crucial AI applications. President Donald Trump said Monday that the processor "still has a market" in the Asian country despite also calling it "obsolete."

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> Beijing's stance could limit Trump's ability to turn his export control about-face into a windfall for government coffers, a deal that highlighted his administration's transactional approach to national security policies long treated as nonnegotiable. Still, Chinese companies may not be ready to jump ship to local semiconductors. "Chips from domestic manufacturers are improving dramatically in quality, but they might not be as versatile for specific workloads that China's domestic AI industry hopes to focus on," said Homin Lee, a senior macro strategist at Lombard Odier in Singapore. Lee added that he anticipates "strong" demand for the chips the Trump administration is allowing Nvidia and AMD to sell.

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> Rosenblatt Securities analyst Kevin Cassidy said he doesn't anticipate that Nvidia's processor sales to China will be affected because "Chinese companies are going to want to use the best chips available." Nvidia and AMD's chips are superior to local alternatives, he said. Beijing asked companies about that issue in some of its letters, according to one of the people, posing questions such as why they buy Nvidia H20 chips over local versions, whether that's a necessary choice given domestic options, and whether they've found any security concerns in the Nvidia hardware. The notices coincide with state media reports that cast doubt on the security and reliability of H20 processors. Chinese regulators have raised those concerns directly with Nvidia, which has repeatedly denied that its chips contain such vulnerabilities.

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> The Financial Times reported that some Chinese companies are planning to decrease orders of Nvidia chips in response to the letters. Right now, the people said, China's most stringent chip guidance is limited to sensitive applications, a situation that bears similarities to the way Beijing restricted Tesla vehicles and Apple iPhones in certain institutions and locations over security concerns. China's government also at one point barred the use of Micron Technology Inc. chips in critical infrastructure. It's possible that Beijing may extend its heavier-handed Nvidia and AMD guidance to a wider range of settings, according to one person with direct knowledge of the deliberations, who said that those conversations are in early stages.



[1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-urges-firms-not-nvidia-050254930.html

[2] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/25/08/11/2123206/nvidia-and-amd-to-pay-15-of-china-chip-sale-revenues-to-us-government



Re: (Score:2)

by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 )

Just wait til the 6070 comes out, it'll support the latest native ray traced slideshow technology, as well as frame generation. Not to mention an AMPLE 8GB of VRAM (and don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise, 8GB is more than generous), and with a TDP of 555W, what's not to love?

And all that for just $750?? If you need more: maybe the 6080 and its 16GB of VRAM and completely reasonable $3,200 MSRP will be a better fit.

Re: (Score:2)

by bloodhawk ( 813939 )

Trump wins? Trump sold out. What he is doing is trying to salvage the fucking disaster that was the chip ban that saw massive acceleration in chinese chip development.

Re: (Score:2)

by DamnOregonian ( 963763 )

> that saw massive acceleration in chinese chip development.

lol, no. Cute delusions, though.

We could argue it was a failure, because the Chinese aren't idiots, and instead innovated lower power ways to train their models.... using H20s.

But as for the 910C? No, very much trash-tier.

If it weren't trash-tier, nobody would ever buy an H20, which is neutered as fuck.

China has plenty of alternatives for HPC and AI (Score:2)

by williamyf ( 227051 )

From InnoSilicon, to Huawei, to MooreThread, to the most recent entrant Lisuan.

Are these as good as nVIDIA's offerings? Nope.

Are these as good as AMD's offerings ? Nope.

Are these as good as Intel's Offerings? Nope.

Are these as good as Broadcomm's offerings? Nope

Are these alternatives good enough for the taks at hand (HPC and AI)? Well yes! Yes, they are good enough.

It's got nothing to do with security (Score:2)

by rsilvergun ( 571051 )

The H2O chips were explicitly cut down because that way they could just barely slip under the radar of the existing export bans. So it's just common sense you don't use them unless you have to. They are slower relative to the amount of power they use.

I want to say that lifting the ban means that used GPU prices might go down but with Trump doing those crazy tariffs than unless the courts actually stop him like they should (he's using emergency Powers despite the fact that there is zero emergency) we are

All men know the utility of useful things;
but they do not know the utility of futility.
-- Chuang-tzu