>> "The complaint also requests an order requiring Microsoft's advertising "to disclose clearly and prominently the approximate end-of-support date[...]"

> That I could get behind. Consumer education and disclosure is always good. Of course, how many will actually read all that is another issue.

This is what is known as a frivolous suit. Microsoft have always maintained a lifecycle list for all it's products, Windows 10 included. There's a whole section of their website dedicated to it where you can search by specific product version: [1]https://learn.microsoft.com/en... [microsoft.com]

[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/

Linux doesn't really solve the problem of wanting to use a 10 year old version of software AND have it supported. Long Term Support in the Linux world usually means 5 years tops then you either pay money or upgrade. You could make an argument about the TPM requirement but you have to go back nearly 8 years to find a CPU that doesn't have one built-in. The vast majority of people running Windows 10 today could upgrade to Windows 11 for free.

Indeed. And those businesses should be held liable and accountable for their decisions and actions. That doesn't mean Microsoft is.

Those small businesses are making a decision to purchase products which have advertised uses, but they are receiving a product that contains fundamental defects (security loopholes), and Microsoft already knows and expects such defects to exist and are likely to be found - hence the program of regular "updates".

In reality Microsoft ought to be liable to furnish a repair for any defects that existed their product at the time of sale that made the goods nonvonforming. The updates are fixing known latent defects, which the customer could not have been reasonably expected to discover.

Under the Uniform Commercial Code 2-608 this discovery of a latent defect causing nonconformity of the goods that existed at the time of sale but could not be reasonably discovered by the buyer due to the seller's failure to disclose the specific nonconformity can be grounds for revoking acceptance of goods; meaning that the sale of goods never completed.

But I don't see how the guy thinks you can sue Microsoft and demand an order forcing them to continue an update service. That is not how any of this works.. by using the product you agree to a EULA which waives any such obligations from Microsoft. And even if you do have a product liability claim - your remedy is money damages.

For example: the price you paid for your copy of Windows 10.

Specific performance does not exist in warranty law. If you buy a used car that turns out to be defective - you can go to court and demand money damages, and it's the only kind of remedy available. But if you go ask to have an order requiring that they specifically repair all damage to your car and provide free corrections for the next year; you would be laughed out of court. You do not get specific performance for any repairable damages that can be corrected by paying money. If you paid for a product which is broken or non-functional, then your loss is reparable through a refund, so you can't get a court order requiring future service. You also can't get attorneys fees except in extraordinary cases where the law provides it, and there's no law for software warranty that provides for attorneys' fees.

The Microsoft EULA also has to be somehow overcome which means that if you used the software; you already agreed there's no warranty.

"And probably almost all those could run Linux just fine and perform better than they were with MS-Windows 10 or could with 11."

I'm not sure why Linux devotees are so consistently delusional about this.

It's simply not true. Almost nobody who plays games, for example, could play as easily or better on Linux.

Of course, none of this would be necessary if we hadn't allowed micro$oft to corrupt our markets and our governments, this is exactly what classism and corruption looks like

these evil people ripped us all off and sold us all out

I'm tired of hearing that Linux is a great alternative for older PCs. I recently installed Kubuntu onto a MacBook Air (2011) and:

* the current version's installer (25.04) hangs on boot, so I had to install a previous version and upgrade (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2105402)

* it takes 20 seconds to wake from sleep (like https://askubuntu.com/questions/1434722/macbook-takes-20-seconds-to-wake-up)

* wifi occasionally drops out for a minute or two then comes back; I'm trying to update th

> Yeah, welcome to commercial software since, I don't know, forever. If you don't want to play that game and/or pay, then install Linux.

Because this is an OS - and one which, in the vast majority of cases, came as part of the computer purchase - I don't think the "commercial software" argument applies. In the first place, lack of a single software package means the loss of a limited amount of functionality, whereas lack of an OS turns the computer into a brick. In the second place, from what I've read there seems to be copious evidence that Microsoft purposely and frivolously made Windows 11 incompatible with older hardware in order to boos

Consumers voluntarily using a 10 year old product should place no requirement for support on a vendor. We have no legal basis or comparable requirement for any product be supported for over this length of time, and the lifecycle time for the OS has been known for a really really long time.

No, and any requirement to do so would just increase the extent to which we get subscriptions foisted onto us.

Your Mac point in particular is impressive in showing your lack of knowledge in the area and bias. My recollection is there was less than 2 years from them stopping selling the final intel based Mac products to intel chips not supporting new OS versions, and it'll be 3 years from last sales to the point where their OS version won't get patches.

The worst issues we've had from updates in the las

'My other OSs just say "hey, we have an update - install it at your convenience."'

And what other OSs are those?

MacOSs go EOL. Linux versions go EOL. WTF OS are you using?!?!?!

No, but endless security patches? I haven't tried, but would the latest SuSE install on my 486DX?

Sure they do, not as quickly, but they do. For example, Linux kernel 6.15 dropped support for 486

Canonical does support Ubuntu 16.04, with Ubuntu Pro subscription that you the home user can get for free.

Nothing stops you from running even older versions of Ubuntu or latest Ubuntu on your Pentium 4, but Microsoft artificially limits who can upgrade to Windows 11

Was about to post the exact same thing.

I think MS put their foot in their mouths with this promise.

I sure hope this guy or his lawyers see this.

This always bothered me since Windows 11 came out.

Windows 10 was supposed to be infinitely upgradable, and it was.

But, then, someone in marketing convinced the committee to release Windows 11 and its strict modern hardware requirements, and sunset Windows 10. Talk about false advertising!!

The landfills are going to be chock-full of computers this fall.