Itch.io Starts Returning the Free Games It Removed From Its Store (aftermath.site)
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- News link: https://games.slashdot.org/story/25/08/03/0537212/itchio-starts-returning-the-free-games-it-removed-from-its-store
- Source link: https://aftermath.site/steam-itch-porn-censorship-collective-shout-visa-mastercard-paypal
> In [2]a statement included in the Itch.io update, Stripe said it hasn't closed the door on the possibility of being able to support adult content again in the future. In the meantime, Itch.io says it is talking to its other payment partners about accepting the card payments Stripe is currently no longer able to process.
Itch's founder [3]told the gaming news site Aftermath that it was a notice from Visa that led to the sudden deindexing of so many games. But Aftermath notes that Visa and Mastercard have now "both released statements effectively washing their hands of the situation but also, paradoxically, justifying any actions they might have taken."
- Visa: "When a legally operating merchant faces an elevated risk of illegal activity, we require enhanced safeguards for the banks supporting those merchants..."
- Mastercard: "Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content."
Aftermath 's take?
> The part where the two companies act as though their hands have been tied by the long arm of the law is, frankly, bullshit. None of the games removed from Steam or Itch were illegal. They depict actions that are perfectly legal in other mediums. To re-quote Mike Stabile, director of policy at the Free Speech Coalition: "The stuff [companies] are talking about is entirely legal. It's legal to have in a book, it's legal to have in a game. They are making decisions based on their brand, based on public pressure from anti-porn groups, and that can be reversed."
Meanwhile, gamers are still pushing back:
> It's difficult to say just how many people have spent the past several days tying up the lines of card companies and payment processors, but the movement has made itself visible enough to gain support from larger industry bodies like the [4]Communications Workers of America [the [5]largest communications/media labor union in America] and the [6]International Game Developers Association .
[1] https://www.engadget.com/gaming/pc/itchio-starts-reindexing-free-nsfw-content-152431716.html
[2] https://itch.io/t/5149036/reindexing-adult-nsfw-content
[3] https://aftermath.site/steam-itch-porn-censorship-collective-shout-visa-mastercard-paypal
[4] https://bsky.app/profile/videogameworkers.bsky.social/post/3lv2foxkkac22
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Workers_of_America
[6] https://www.gamesindustry.biz/igda-seriously-alarmed-by-recent-crackdown-on-nsfw-games
The Council of Karens must not win (Score:2)
This insane council of karens must not win, and we need immediately legislation that keeps payment processors from any and all of these interferences.
Re:The Council of Karens must not win (Score:5, Informative)
we need immediately legislation that keeps payment processors from any and all of these interferences.
It doesn't work in the US, because the courts have found corporations such as Visa have 1st Amendment free speech rights; which includes the right to deny service to people whose speech they disagree with or find objectionable.
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This story is out of Australia. Collective Shout is a supposedly feminist christofascist org, and the American credit card companies don't care who is president. I don't like Trump either but you're effectively defending the guilty lobbies here by blaming this on Trump and his voters
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Let me quote wikipedia for you if it's beneath you go to check before calling me loony:
"Collective Shout was founded in 2009 by Melinda Tankard Reist, a pro-life feminist and anti-pornography activist.[13][14]"
Yes, feminist christofascism, that is her inclination as well as that of her org. Saying that she is a feminist christian reactionary is an insult to the word feminism no more than trans exclusionary radical feminism is an insult to it.
Trump and the GOP are anti free-speech, but Collective Shout is an
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I should have put quotes:
no more than the phrase "trans exclusionary radical feminism is an insult to it"
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Well, the latter half of 3rd wave feminism and the entire 4th wave are an insult to the word feminism as well. For example, you chastise "trans exclusionary" -- because why a guy with boobs should be counted as a woman? And all pornography gets decried as "objectifying women" -- including gay porn.
In the US, most of the censorship comes from the Dems. Don't forget the PMRC: Tipper Gore, Janet Reno, then two decades later Hillary Clinton (by mid-2000s, after her hubby's term ended).
But, blaming all the ev
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I mentioned the term TERF because that is another form of feminism that does not always intersect with left politics the way the person I responded to would think.
But regarding censorship, neither political party "owns" it. The Bush Jr. administration was furtive about its spying dragnet, it was secretive about its arrangements with telecos to further its phone spying (which the telecos were given retroactive immunity for in 2006), and even pushed to withhold its non-evidence against people detained without
Out of curiosity (Score:2)
Do Visa and Mastercard refuse to pay for Dildos and vibrators? Or anything that might be used in a sexual manner?
Can the manufacturers guarantee that their products will never be used in an "adult" manner?
How about people who are offended about women's intimate wear?
How about rope vendors - sometimes rope is used in an adult manner.
Gift Cards. (Score:5, Insightful)
If Mastercard and Visa really want to block business activities with "an elevated risk of illegal activity," they should stop allowing people to buy gift cards with their credit cards.
That's the main way con men steal money.
Re:Gift Cards. (Score:4, Informative)
They do not care. All they are doing here is virtue-signaling because they thought that would be the most profitable thing. Looks like they never expected the backlash. That is pretty incompetent in its own way.
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> They do not care.
Exactly.
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It's illegal activity in basically fraud. Adult oriented things have, unfortunately, a higher risk of fraud. Either true credit card fraud where people use someone else's card without authorization, or fraud in where they consume the content, but then deny it later on.
That's the illegal activity they care about because chargebacks and such are bad.
Buying gift cards, well, there's a legitimate case for that, and if you're being scammed to pay your taxes with iTunes gift cards, that's a matter between you and
A solution - "The Fair Access to Banking Act" (Score:2)
The Fair Access to Banking Act, H.R.987 in the House, S.401 in the Senate would make it illegal for any financial service provider to directly or indirectly prohibit or inhibit any legal transaction If we want quick action on this bill (to get the most riled up demographic), we should start a campaign to force VISA/MC to stop approving sales of firearms, as firearms cause the most damage to children in the U.S., "think of the children." I think that would get a lot of other different groups of people to fo
Why listen to Collective Shout? (Score:5, Interesting)
Collective Shout (the lobby group behind this crap) is a small lobby lobby group located in Sydney, Australia whereas Visa and MasterCard are massive global payment companies with market caps of over $500bn each. Why exactly do companies that big even need to care about some tiny little lobby group out of Sydney? What exactly would happen if Visa and MasterCard just ignored Collective Shout?
Re:Why listen to Collective Shout? (Score:5, Insightful)
Bc Collective Shout's gag has been to report violations to Visa/MC. Visa and MC do have these policies, and websites such as Itch.IO are in true violation not fully in line w/all the strict compliance monitoring rules these processors have for adult merchants.
The issue is their rules about adult materials are completely designed for Real-Person pornography not fictional character art.
And the compliance requirements are completely nonsensical. Explain to me what practice a merchant is supposed to follow to secure the documentation proving the Age and a Model release/Verifiable consent to appear in the content of fictional characte arts such as Samus Aran, Lara Croft, Darth Vader, Cloud Strife or Tifa lockhart.
In No free country is the artistic (drawn) content subject to a prohibition on sale. But for the rare case where the Art is used as a method to depict something like an actual chart. But the so-called appropriate controls they are talking about are likely the exact the controls which don't make sense and are unreasonably expensive. But as long as they can complain to Visa, and the controls are not in place - the merchant can be shut down every time. And not for violations of the law - violation for not having "appropriate" measures to ensure no violations of the law according to Visa/MC policies.
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My guess is that the payment processor (stripe) got spooked, escalated that to Visa and Mastercard, and they basically have no clue what they are doing and they
reacted in the usual cowardly way of many businesses without actually checking how serious the threat was. They will now have learned something and hopefully see the real threat (their customers leaving or reducing use of their services).
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It's more like Visa and Mastercard being able to tolerate things as long as they don't know. But if Collective Shout would tell loudly as they are "Visa and Mastercard are IGNORING our reports and now we're absolutely triggered!" People would start asking why Visa and Mastercard are enforcing it at some places and not enforcing it in others, so they need to act as soon as they are publicly told there is a violation.
Re:Why listen to Collective Shout? (Score:4, Interesting)
You are claiming they care about Collective Shout, they don't care any more about them than the local police care about the the nosy nextdoor neighbour complaining that you left your bins out past 8pm. The interests are aligned here. MasterCard and Visa have a long history of playing the morality police, much longer than Collective Shout has been in existence, and they have flexed their muscles repeatedly against the point industry blocking perfectly legal content from perfectly legal businesses for the best part of 50 years now. MasterCard literally has maintaining human dignity in its mission statement, or at least it did a while back, I'm not in a position to look up now.