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Distorted Sound of the Early Universe Suggests We Are Living In a Giant Void (phys.org)

(Tuesday July 29, 2025 @03:00AM (BeauHD) from the do-you-feel-small-yet dept.)


A new study analyzing distorted sound waves from the early universe [1]suggests we may live in a massive cosmic void "with roughly 20% lower than the average density of matter," writes Indranil Banik in an article for The Conversation. "Not every physicist is convinced that this is the case. But our recent paper analyzing distorted sounds from the early universe, [2]published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society , strongly backs up the idea." Slashdot reader [3]alternative_right shares an excerpt from the report:

> My colleagues and I previously argued that the Hubble tension might be due to our location within a large void. That's because the sparse amount of matter in the void would be gravitationally attracted to the more dense matter outside it, continuously flowing out of the void. In [4]previous research , we showed that this flow would make it look like the local universe is expanding about 10% faster than expected. That would solve the Hubble tension. But we wanted more evidence. And we know a local void would slightly distort the relation between the BAO angular scale and the redshift due to the faster moving matter in the void and its gravitational effect on light from outside.

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> So in our new paper, Vasileios Kalaitzidis and I set out to [5]test the predictions of the void model using BAO measurements collected over the last 20 years. We compared our results to models without a void under the same background expansion history. In the void model, the BAO ruler should look larger on the sky at any given redshift. And this excess should become even larger at low redshift (close distance), in line with the Hubble tension. The observations confirm this prediction. Our results suggest that a universe with a local void is about one hundred million times more likely than a cosmos without one, when using BAO measurements and assuming the universe expanded according to the standard model of cosmology informed by the CMB.

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> Our research shows that the ACDM model without any local void is in "3.8 sigma tension" with the BAO observations. This means the likelihood of a universe without a void fitting these data is equivalent to a fair coin landing heads 13 times in a row. By contrast, the chance of the BAO data looking the way they do in void models is equivalent to a fair coin landing heads just twice in a row. In short, these models fit the data quite well. In the future, it will be crucial to obtain more accurate BAO measurements at low redshift, where the BAO standard ruler looks larger on the sky -- even more so if we are in a void. The average expansion rate so far follows directly from the age of the universe, which we can estimate from the ages of old stars in the Milky Way. A local void would not affect the age of the universe, but some proposals do affect it. These and other probes will shed more light on the Hubble crisis in cosmology.



[1] https://phys.org/news/2025-07-distorted-early-universe-giant-void.html

[2] https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/staf781

[3] https://slashdot.org/~alternative_right

[4] https://dx.doi.org/10.1093/mnras/staa2348

[5] https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/staf781



Seems to be able to fit everything (Score:2)

by simlox ( 6576120 )

when you can parameterize the matter distribution in the universe. That is quite a lot of parameters to add to the model.

Close, but no (Score:2)

by Aighearach ( 97333 )

That's not actually a void, it's just the giant open space under Cowboy Neal's hat.

timescape (Score:2)

by spaceman375 ( 780812 )

Time runs faster in the middle of a void than anywhere else in the universe. I'd like to see a map of how old the universe is based on local density. If we are in a void, we are ahead of the universal average, but how far? I doubt this has much bearing on the Drake Equation, but it's nice to imagine that we are some of the first lifeforms to attain self awareness and technological skills. Either way, a documentary describing the lifetime of a photon as it travels between voids and galactic cores would be fa

Re: (Score:2)

by spaceman375 ( 780812 )

Spellchecker failure: What's a Uninerse?

Everything old is new again? (Score:1)

by GillBates0 ( 664202 )

[1]https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]

Deep research how ancient Hindu/Vedic > 5000 years old Cosmology aligns with [2]https://phys.org/news/2025-07-... [phys.org] . Include Shiva at CERN, Carl Sagan etc

## Ancient Hindu/Vedic Cosmology and the Modern "Cosmic Void" Universe

### Deep Roots: Vedic Cosmology Over 5,000 Years Old

Ancient Hindu or Vedic cosmology, as depicted in the Rig Veda, Upanishads, Puranas, and other scriptures, conceptualized the universe as both cyclic and infinite. It describes:

- Multiple universes (a mul

[1] https://www.perplexity.ai/search/deep-research-how-hindu-cosmol-vFi0BK1OR9CYJu8ozBI_tA#0

[2] https://phys.org/news/2025-07-distorted-early-universe-giant-void.html

Re: (Score:2)

by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 )

Citation neede.... oh wait.

Re: Everything old is new again? (Score:1)

by GillBates0 ( 664202 )

lol

deep research lol ðYwith 10 citations

[1]https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]

recursive lol ftw

[1] https://www.perplexity.ai/search/deep-research-lol-with-10-cita-2qEfzhv9SU.hYPeyGuCiDw#0

lol recursively (Score:1)

by GillBates0 ( 664202 )

[1]https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]

lol recursively

The phrase "lol recursively" can relate to various contexts, but one interesting interpretation comes from programming and internet culture, especially demonstrated by a recursive function involving the phrase "LOL."

There is a common programming puzzle where a recursive function called `lol(n)` generates nested strings like:

- lol(1) â' "One more LOL and Iâ(TM)m out"

- lol(2) â' "One more One more LOL and Iâ(TM)m out and Iâ(TM)m out"

- lo

[1] https://www.perplexity.ai/search/lol-recursively-aROHXdxtSbq35x4j_Fv5Yg#0

Re: (Score:2)

by gtall ( 79522 )

Cherry picking Vedic/Hindu "philosophy" is an exercise in futility. You could support any "science" that way. Try this, pick up the Harry Potter books and start cherry picking to support whatever floats your boat. It's easy, even school children can do it. Christians have gotten away with cherry picking the bible to support their "philosophy" du jour for years.

Certainly the game is rigged.

Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win.
-- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"