Microsoft To Stop Using Engineers In China For Tech Support of US Military (reuters.com)
- Reference: 0178414314
- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/07/19/0028202/microsoft-to-stop-using-engineers-in-china-for-tech-support-of-us-military
- Source link: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/microsoft-stop-using-engineers-china-tech-support-us-military-hegseth-orders-2025-07-18/
> The report detailed Microsoft's use of Chinese engineers to work on U.S. military cloud computing systems under the supervision of U.S. "digital escorts" hired through subcontractors who have security clearances but often lacked the technical skills to assess whether the work of the Chinese engineers posed a cybersecurity threat. [Microsoft] told ProPublica it disclosed its practices to the U.S. government during an authorization process.
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> On Friday, Microsoft spokesperson Frank Shaw said on social media website X the company changed how it supports U.S. government customers "in response to concerns raised earlier this week ... to assure that no China-based engineering teams are providing technical assistance" for services used by the Pentagon.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/microsoft-stop-using-engineers-china-tech-support-us-military-hegseth-orders-2025-07-18/
[2] https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-digital-escorts-pentagon-defense-department-china-hackers
Geez, Chinese engineers on U.S. military support (Score:1)
Who thought Microsoft's use of Chinese engineers to work on U.S. military cloud computing systems was a good idea to start with. China is NOT to be trust ever ! Someone at Microsoft should be fired !
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Did you read the summary? They're doing this with the permission of the US military. The problem is the subcontractors that they hired to oversee the work actually have no idea what the Chinese engineers are doing because they're too ignorant of the technology being used.
On an unrelated note, why do you write like Trump?
But... (Score:2)
But, your M365 instance will continue to be infested by Chinese government contractors being supervised by digital escorts, from India. If they are supervised at all.
Why? Because fuck you, that's why.
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Its true. Funny thing is they are supposed to provide only US Persons that have gone through a background check.
[1]https://learn.microsoft.com/en... [microsoft.com]
[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/servicedescriptions/office-365-platform-service-description/office-365-us-government/gcc-high-and-dod
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This is worth a read. [1]https://www.brookings.edu/arti... [brookings.edu]
[1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-long-game-chinas-grand-strategy-to-displace-american-order/
Really? (Score:2)
> Microsoft To Stop Using Engineers In China For Tech Support of US Military
They have been doing that? ... Really? ... LOL!!
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> Microsoft To Stop Using Engineers In China For Tech Support of US Military
Would have thought that NSA's SE Linux work would have had a bigger influence on their tech stack.
Re: Really? (Score:1)
With the permission of the US military, it seems.
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>> Microsoft To Stop Using Engineers In China For Tech Support of US Military
> They have been doing that? ... Really? ... LOL!!
You aren't kidding. What surprises me is that it is such a well known fact that if you are Chinese, and working for anything involving the US government or military You are reporting everything to the Chinese government.
I cannot imagine that this is not known to Microsoft. In fact, expect an audit and investigation. Seriously, this would be like the US using German and Japanese support during WW2, and thinking they wouldn't be sharing it with Adolph and Tojo.
Amazing (Score:2)
I worked for the Army for 25 years and we were never allowed to have contractors from other countries. The fact that Microsoft did this just makes me believe Microsoft is even more lousy than I previously thought that they were. Nothing against the Chinese people doing the job, this is all on Microsoft.
Re: Amazing (Score:2)
No. They do it with us military permission. It's the US military that is to blame.
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I think things have changed and clearly for the worse. I worked for a defense contractor decades ago with a minor clearance. Things like this would have been a no-no for even what I worked on. I recall one guy with a much higher clearance whose wife did not know where he would go when he traveled. He also had annual lie detector/drug testing and periodic deep dives into his financials. What is truly sad is that it appears as if microsoft/dod was shamed into stopping this instead of doing it because, well yo
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Though id say relying on rank pseudoscience like lie detectors isn't exactly a good thing.
Stunning (Score:2)
Honestly, I'm surprised that US Military both outsources and offshores IT support.
Were they doing anything that couldn't have been done with air gap on-prem Proxmox?
Why are they using Microsoft anyway, if security is a concern, something more SE Linux/Unix, would have been a better design decision for their cloud.
I am not surprised (Score:3)
I don't have a large enough sample size, but the IA people I have dealt who are responsible for the software review process (e.g., review reports from source code analyzers) are not coders and have no idea what the report actually is saying.
I can see someone making the argument that digital escorts is the same thing as physical escorts, so it is ok. Plus, there is what I call the Princess Bride Effect. You have been told that a process is so robust that it is inconceivable that it could fail.
May have been oversold... (Score:2)
Allegedly this was a permitted practice; but the speed with which they said that they will be abandoning it once it became public knowledge; and the number of federal IT people ProPublica was able to find who had never heard of it, suggests that either the proposal that was approved was not entirely candid about what the plan was; or the approver was too low or obscure to actually approve.
This certainly wouldn't be the first time that something perfectly on the up and up was abandoned for PR reasons; but
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> Allegedly this was a permitted practice;
Not merely permitted, it's alleged to have happened by someone working for Insight Global. see also: [1]https://www.propublica.org/art... [propublica.org]
[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-digital-escorts-pentagon-defense-department-china-hackers
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> This certainly wouldn't be the first time that something perfectly on the up and up was abandoned for PR reasons
The article notes the qualifier "for services used by the Pentagon" which could mean that Microsoft's contracts with other parts of the US government will continue using the program.
Also, I would hardly consider this "something perfectly on the up and up" since it skirts the security requirements and definitively undermines expectations.
Its turtles all the way down (Score:3)
The only way to stop this is to entirely cease allowing companies that use contractors and subcontractors on military projects.
Otherwise what is going to happen is the military will sign a contract with Lockheed who will outsource part of it to IBM who will off-shore part of that to India who will outsource part of that work to another subcontractor who uses people in China and Vietnam.
Too late (Score:4, Interesting)
If they were serious, they would now rebuild everything touched by these people. But it is MS, so this is just a bit of cosmetics over what they did out of unfettered greed.
chineese military work (Score:2)
One would start with why wasn't the DOD checking this, Why would MS allow this. Now is every line of code touched by these people being reviwed?
What? (Score:2)
Oh, and they stopped using Russian coding experts to program their nuclear missiles.
Somebody should be fired for not insisting on 100% American support 20 years ago.
Debt (Score:1)
And now it starts.. price increases from paying Americans. You are so desperate to cut the debt that you will wreck education, storm warnings, support for people in medical crisis, the list goes on... Yet you will shoot yourselves in the foot by making enemies out of everyone thus reducing your market down to the most expensive employee there is to support you.
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What debt cutting are you talking about?