Immigration Is the Only Thing Propping Up California's Population (msn.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/05/27/0414218/immigration-is-the-only-thing-propping-up-californias-population
- Source link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/immigration-is-the-only-thing-propping-up-california-s-population/ar-AA1FqUQl
Without immigration, the state would have shrunk significantly as domestic migration remained negative. The H-1B visa program alone brought nearly 79,000 skilled workers to California in 2024. Since 2010, California has added 2.7 million immigrants, with half coming from Asia and slightly more than a third from Latin America. The immigration-dependent growth model puts California at particular risk from potential federal policy changes, as more than a quarter of its population is foreign-born -- the highest share nationwide.
[1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/immigration-is-the-only-thing-propping-up-california-s-population/ar-AA1FqUQl
Agolf Shittler ruining America (Score:3, Insightful)
A decade or so from now many will regret Trump's "migrants are evil" mantra and wish we let at least the settled people stay.
The "illegal spike" a couple of years ago was mostly caused by Don's mouth: he claimed Biden would "just open the gates", and enough believed Don. Typical of Trump: create a problem, half-fix it, then take credit for a full fix. Those who don't check facts believe his shit because they want to be told they are wonderful or chosen, but the Brown Man is keeping them down.
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Wow, that was quite the cogent counterpoint. I bet you did debate in high school.
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You're a stinky doo doo head.
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OMG, you should run for republican office!
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> The "illegal spike" a couple of years ago was mostly caused by Don's mouth: he claimed Biden would "just open the gates", and enough believed Don.
This is a lie, of course. Within hours of taking office, Joe Biden sent his recommended immigration bill to Congress (among other things, to make the laws less accurate by replacing the term "alien" with "noncitizen", lumping aliens together with US non-citizen nationals; it also aimed to create an accelerated pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants) and issued a number of Executive Orders and proclamations to reduce border enforcement. Two months later, Biden said "Weâ(TM)re in the process of
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> The "illegal spike" a couple of years ago was mostly caused by Don's mouth: he claimed Biden would "just open the gates", and enough believed Don. ...
i'm sorry but whatever the wisdom of legal or illegal immigration, this take is ridiculous. The "illegal spike" was not because Trump said that Biden would "just open the gates", but because Biden DID just open the gates and it started to subside when he started to close them again in the run-up to the 2024 election.
from NPR in june 2024( [1]https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26... [npr.org] )
> Homeland Security's latest report shows a 40% decrease in border arrests, three weeks after President Biden’s asylum restrictions and expedited removals executive actions took effect.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-5020163/unauthorized-migrants-crossings-have-gone-down-significantly-since-executive-actions
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> and wish we let at least the settled people stay
That's exactly what is happening.
Has your preferred news feeds been telling you Trump is rounding up illegals by the boat load? He isn't. They're going after criminals and activists, mostly.
Re: Agolf Shittler ruining America (Score:1)
Please dont confuse the children with facts.
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fuKKK off!
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Appropriate reply, frankly
What Californians call economic emmigrants (Score:4, Interesting)
We call them losers.
If you can't make it hear, it's for a lack of trying or a lack of competence. There are lots of opportunities.
The immigrants who come to California work quite hard and often make lots of money.
A lot of retirees leave, of course, cashing in on their houses that have dramatically appreciated.
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A higher minimum wage is a good thing. They should not necessarily be statewide, though. The middle of nowhere needs a lower minimum wage than the heart of LA.
California has high unemployment relative to the rest of the country, but low unemployment historically, as 5.2%. Why? I don't know. My family are all employed if they want to be. Tech companies are laying off some as they see increased productivity from AI. That's all I can really think of.
The California poverty rate is in the average range of
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"My family are all employed if they want to be" has two major qualifiers that put it into "cool story brah" territory.
As for poverty rate, see [1]https://www.sandiegouniontribu... [sandiegouniontribune.com], or [2]https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com] for an explanation of what the "supplemental" poverty rate does: it reflects a state's actual cost of living, instead of using a single number nationwide.
[1] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2024/09/23/latest-federal-stats-show-california-still-has-highest-poverty-rate/
[2] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/jan/20/chad-mayes/true-california-has-nations-highest-poverty-rate-w/
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The underground economy of moving drugs and traficked people around while moving dollars south seems to be doing a brisk business and bringing violent crime, drug addiction, and homelessness along with it. And the people who are getting victimized the most are those same illegal economic migrants that you're cheering for....along with the taxpayers who ultimately pay the price in high taxes and strained public services.
Congrats.
Doesn't even make sense (Score:2)
Even if the numbers were significant, it doesn't make any sense. People leave California due to high housing costs. If the population ever did actually start to decline notably, the issue would be self correcting.
The Immi-taxpayer Program (Score:1)
> The H-1B visa program alone brought nearly 79,000 skilled workers to California in 2024.
Well, that’s one way of describing the kind of targeted marketing it takes to sucker people into moving to California these days.
How blessed those new California taxpayers must feel to have such a grand local economy and pay hardly any tax as a result.. /s
Not "significantly" (Score:5, Insightful)
With literally zero immigrants since 2010, California's population would have shrunk by one tenth of one percent per year. Significant only if you're trying to make some political point about the state.
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Yeah, doing some quick math using the numbers from TFS - the population loss without international immigrants would've been 50K people. Out of a population of 39.5 million .
Somehow I don't think LA's traffic is getting any better...
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The resulting economic collapse would be rather ugly. The following starvation would be uglier.
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Mmm... sources i'm finding say no more than 10% illegal immigrants in LA county and maybe closer to 6%. Though of course those are still still huge numbers compared to the population change numbers being discussed i TFA and this thread.
(and that's without counting their american born children which are relevant if we're talking population growth)
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I have a source saying you're an illegal immigrant and you should be deported.
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The economy and the social contract is a Ponzi scheme that relies on an ever growing population. Even low population growth is a huge problem.
Re: Not "significantly" (Score:1)
If you choose to ignore all the illegals, yes. If the Weekend at Bernies prez remained in office, then pretty soon the majority of USians would have been illegals.