Bluesky Can't Take a Joke (wired.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/04/08/0524221/bluesky-cant-take-a-joke
- Source link: https://www.wired.com/story/bluesky-cant-take-a-joke/
This clash stems from Bluesky's oddly mixed population: irony-steeped Twitter refugees mingling with earnest Facebook transplants and MSNBC viewers who took the plunge after seeing the platform mentioned on shows like Morning Joe. "It's riff collapse," says cartoonist Mattie Lubchansky, describing how her obviously absurd Oscar post triggered sincere movie recommendations.
[1] https://www.wired.com/story/bluesky-cant-take-a-joke/
This is "social media" (Score:3)
I sometimes wonder if, 50-100 years from now, people will look back at this era and marvel at how we somehow expected social media to not invariably devolve into a steaming pile of crap.
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I am much more concerned with archeologists stumbling over the data on there and thinking we were all this stupid... you know, like people today think people were stupid in the middle ages for being illiterate (which back then meant not being able to read latin, the scholar language).
You know how historians operate, right? Everything they find is put into context with other things from the same region and area to try and paint a picture. Getting close to the truth with incomplete data and so forth.
Now if so
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Given how much bitrot has occured in recent years, and how much censorship is happening currently, I expect archeologists looking back on our era are going to find a whole pile of nothing.
There's no archival storage format in existence that could store all of the current internet's data, let alone keep up with its ongoing day-to-day changes.
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I mean, if all the data is in one place you wouldn't be called a "data archeologist", you would be called an "archivist"
Data archeologist implies the "digging up" (maybe literally) of data from long lost places. Perhaps a personal backup in an old house or an intact hard drive from a garbage dump.
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Your concern is that future historians might assume you were stupid? You're not concerned that there will be no future historians? Perhaps the problem then is that you are stupid.
"...it's gonna corroborate a LOT of that movie."
As it should. You're worried that people in the future will have a clear picture of their past. This is what narcissism looks like.
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BlueSky already is a huge steaming pile crap i had two Linux feeds i had to remove because of shitposters, windows fanboys trolling, and topic crap that was obviously AI generated gobbledygook, and some advertising thinly disguised as user posts, social media mostly sucks, all of it sucks - Bluesky, facebook/instagram/meta, X/twitter they are all shit, i have better satisfactions reading 4chan and slashdot
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> BlueSky already is a huge steaming pile crap i had two Linux feeds i had to remove because of shitposters, windows fanboys trolling, and topic crap that was obviously AI generated gobbledygook, and some advertising thinly disguised as user posts, social media mostly sucks, all of it sucks - Bluesky, facebook/instagram/meta, X/twitter they are all shit, i have better satisfactions reading 4chan and slashdot
I agree....social media is crap and has led, in general, to a general downturn of society as a whole.
Re:This is "social media" (Score:5, Interesting)
Social media started as a steaming pile of crap, it was always a race to the bottom. Twitter's "innovation" was literally limited message lengths, a "feature" they eventually removed. Foursquare's "innovation" was to post twitter messages automatically! Social media has never been about anything other than greed and exploitation. Devolving not required.
But yeah, plenty will look back and wonder how we didn't see this coming. Hindsight works that way.
Mod this... (Score:4, Insightful)
-1 Troll
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> that doesn't promote their kind of edgelord shitposting.
When you learn the difference between edgelord shitposting and simple facetious humour you may have a point. But you need to not be on the spectrum to understand this.
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Great example of the kind of crap you don't get on Blue Sky - people armchair diagnosing you with autism.
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You do, but unlike on Slashdot, you can simply block them. And you can share block lists.
I have two block lists, one for absolute scum like maggots and another one for people who just piss me off, like the trolls who post provocative statements while disallowing comments.
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"When you learn the difference between edgelord shitposting and simple facetious humour you may have a point."
What evidence is there that the OP doesn't know the difference? Twitter is owned and controlled by an "edgelord shitposter", "simple facetious humour" is just a pretty name for his racism and fascism. We all know this, even if most haven't been willing to admit it for years.
"But you need to not be on the spectrum to understand this."
It's really remarkable that a sociopath is so publicly awful that
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> What evidence is there that the OP doesn't know the difference?
Well, there's the fact that OP apparently described the following as "edgelord shitposting":
> Amy Brown jokingly posted she was "screaming, crying, and throwing up" about price differences between Ohio and California Walgreens
I think most people would, as GP did, describe that as hyperbole. Maybe even stupid, declasse hyperbole about an obvious effect of cost-of-living differences at a discount store chain. If there was a lot more damning context, that should have been quoted instead; but the quote in TFS fails to meet my threshold for either "edgelord" or "shitposting".
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No, you are confused, I wasn't talking about what she said. I was talking about Twitter in general. It's full of Nazis and Elon Musk worshipping edgelords, but I repeat myself. He has tuned the algorithm to make sure stuff like that gets onto your feed.
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Good example! Edgelord shitposting is well exemplified by wading in with an abrasive hot take, and then walking it back by claiming you were ackchually just posting an off-topic rant.
Trump/fElon might have killed comedy (Score:1)
After being exposed to years of outrages quotes/actions by Trump/fElon
and any backlash being handled with "just kidding bro", comedy is now not what it used to be.
Sarkasm/Irony tag might be needed until after we get out of whatever this is.
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not sure if you're joking or not...
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NPCs do not understand humor. They do clapter pretty well though.
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People are so below moronic they fall for formulaic teenage "just kidding" cop-out... you'd think after that lesson is learned they'd remember it into adulthood but it's as if people forget sometime in their 30s. Or people who never matured beyond their teenage years ARE Trumpists... (BTW, that is the definition of moron... ah, I'm referring to the beyond teenage part but I can see how one could confuse Trumpists and morons.)
Someone said something on the internet (Score:1)
What even is this article? People say and do stupid things all the time. This isn't exclusive to Bluesky, social media, or the internet, or left vs right. Their stupidity is already amplified by the nature of the platform, we don't need to artificially give it even more attention. This reads like some bullshit trolling that a man-child like Musk would post to disparage his competitors.
Invite them all to join SlashDot (Score:5, Funny)
Great place if you can't take a joke.
Re:Invite them all to join SlashDot (Score:5, Funny)
> Great place if you can't take a joke.
Only an insensitive clod would celebrate this.
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Only an insensitive clod would be naked and petrified.
What did anyone expect? (Score:2)
When you market yourself as the alternative offering, you are going to get some alternative thinking followers.
Glad she was criticised (Score:2)
Far too many people - usually americans but its spreading elsewhere in the english speaking world - these days think overdone "ironic" hyperbole is a valid substitute for a sensible or amusing comment. Its not , its juvenile, cliched and dull.
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Look who's talking. Your orange hero never resorts to "overdone ironic hyperbole", right?
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Wtf are you talking about? I'm not american nor am I a trump fan, but apart from that your strawman nailed it.
Moron.
Stuff with a political valence attracts a type (Score:1)
That type are people who place whatever politics that may be at the core of their identity.
Not too different from any niche forum, I suppose.
There will always be an overrepresentation of aspies and zealots who try to project everything onto that niche. You see it here with poster bitching about some story not being sufficiently news for for nerds. Over there it's people who bitch about excessive metaphor.
One reason I don't do social media and hide behind pseudonyms wherever I do post. Don't really want to g
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> I swear I'm more likeable irl.
I imagine this is true of most of us.
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"That type are people who place whatever politics that may be at the core of their identity."
You mean like integrating their politics into their screen name?
"You see it here with poster bitching about some story not being sufficiently news for for nerds."
Yeah, that's the canonical example. No one expects you to make good arguments but this one's pretty bad even for you.
"One reason I don't do social media and hide behind pseudonyms wherever I do post."
Sure you don't. Are we to believe that "RightwingNutjob
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You want to contrast your handle versus his? I'll contrast your post content versus his. He posted a reasonable argument for not placing too much judgement on a particular platform, just because of a few bad examples. He also argued that most people are probably not as humorless or unfriendly irl as they would appear in an online forum.
You, on the other hand, continually post ANGER and HATE. You call names, and personally insult those you disagree with.
To me, he's the essence of the right -- he wants
Re: Stuff with a political valence attracts a type (Score:2)
Well said.
Pointless post (Score:3)
It is like any other social media. After muting words and accounts you do not want to see and with active curation of the timeline, the content can be rather nice and center on your interests.
Besides, the default Bluesky is only one implementation of the base protocol and it can be forked into oblivion.
Feels like people who complain about the content on social media simply have low agency.
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I just wish they had some more powerful blocking options, now. Like, I don't want to see any posts on which I cannot comment.
Well, that's not all I wish. I wish I could post images reliably. It works occasionally .
Like-minded? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you want to be on a platform with only a bunch of like-minded individuals? Understanding begins with hearing something you either haven't heard before, or don't necessarily agree with, and trying to understand where they're coming from. The last thing we need is more echo chambers.
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Generally, people don't like hate spewed at them. The real question is why people want to be on platforms at all.
The value of forums, "platforms", is for people to share common interests, social platforms are not "echo chambers", like-mindedness is an inherent property these tools. The problem is what the common interests have become, and sadly the common interests of today are hate of other people. This is not because people have changed, it is because propagandists have learned to exploit social media,
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> Why would you want to be on a platform with only a bunch of like-minded individuals? Understanding begins with hearing something you either haven't heard before, or don't necessarily agree with, and trying to understand where they're coming from. The last thing we need is more echo chambers.
Stop lying asshole. No one is buying your shit. You and people like you should be in jail. Retard.
That's what "discourse" with those with opposing viewpoints looks like on X these days. Fuck that.
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[1]Is Bluesky any different? [thefp.com] I don't want to hang around any place where death threats are tolerated (whether that's X or Bluesky or whatever the web 2.0 flavour of the day is).
[1] https://www.thefp.com/p/jesse-singal-bluesky-has-a-death-threat-problem
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Don't know, I don't use it. But I see you quickly abandoned your original premise.
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My original premise is that I don't want to hang around an echo chamber. One of the properties of a social media echo chamber is that if anyone comes in with a different point of view then the community attacks, shames, doxxes, and threatens them until they conform or leave. I said I didn't want to hang around a place that tolerates death threats. Both of these ideas are consistent.
who cares? (Score:2)
Somebody didn't take a joke on a twitter clone? This is news?
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WE COULD USE HTML TAGS... sarcasm and joking.
It would be hard for a teenage maturity to comeback with "I was being sarcastic" when they failed to tag their sarcasm and that was an easy feature to use. Same with joking. Sure people would use the stuff ironically but that at least would be raising the intelligence of things a bit.
This would help greatly for AI, language translation, and text to speech. Having an AI screw up your words with unintended sarcastic tone can completely change meaning. I laugh at
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It would be hard for a teenage maturity to comeback with "I was being sarcastic" when they failed to tag
Under typical conditions 99% of sarcastic humor or "it was a joke" is being used to add cover for being a bad person or having fun yourself at others' expense.
They'd just forget to use the tags, anyways.
The tags would also spoil the punch line if it was true sarcastic humor, and there would be arguments for not using the tags even when available.
Bluesky is a good platform (Score:1)
The contrast between Twitter and Bluesky is so stark it's a wonder why anyone sticks with Twitter when blueticks and others dominate the comments with racism, hate speech, scams, false engagement and other garbage. It's a cesspit quite frankly. Bluesky by contrast is relatively polite and there is a lot of engagement and a lot of accounts either mirror content or have moved over entirely. There are currently no ads either though I'm sure they'll show up at some point.
That isn't to say there aren't some horr
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I did suspect that the main attraction for Bluesky was the implication of carryover bias/censorship from the old original flavor Twitter.
But I never bothered to look into it so I'll just take your word on that, thanks.
The endgame of the internet (Score:2)
Is devising a manner where individuals can talk at people, and only receive feedback agreeing with them/saying they're wise/telling them they're hilarious. Whoever comes up with this will win the internet.
People claim to want discourse, but they don't. They want validation that's instant and effortless.
"You like this? OMG you're so right, it's so awesome"
"You think that? OMG that's so insightful and true"
"You told a joke? ROFL!"
etc etc etc
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This.
Chatbots are going to win much of the internet users with exactly this kind of thing! But less obvious and with some breaks in the pattern real sycophants may not normally do... It might be good if it can hook future cult leaders...
In addition, the boost one gets from looking down comparatively upon others in some way. Same thing that powers reality TV but predates it... somebody wonders into your tribe and you all beat them down and send them away.
Or the bar brawler mentality (can be outside tribe)
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OMG that's so insightful and true!
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ROFL!
Verklemmt (Score:2)
So Bluesky is the Germany of social media?
Perhaps because it's a stupid joke? (Score:1)
Humor is cool and all, and many types of humor are fine and work well on socials.
But some of the crappy things people call jokes are A. Not even funny. and B. In reality just an expression of hostile intent disguised as humor.
Posting fake crap sarcastically is Not a great type of humor and it does not work well on the internet. It's totally inappropriate for most social media
where people are looking for and expecting authenticity.
Those who write you are screaming, crying, or throwing up, when you are
Oh, for fuck's sake (Score:2)
A person said something not particularly funny, and some other people were stupid about it. How the fuck does this matter, and why is it being used to label an entire platform?
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X needs clearly-threaded comments, as here.
The current X makes meaningful discourse impossible. With threading, it is just very difficult.
Re:Blue Sky - an ECHO CHAMBER for Ugly Fat Libs. (Score:5, Interesting)
X is social media. Social media is not made for beneficial interaction. It's made for clicks (which is why I don't consider Slashdot social media, even though it has a social aspect).
Threaded comments would make it possible to reorient yourself in the discussion, contextualize a post and post a level-headed reply that shows understanding of the point another has made.
None of that leads to drive-by insults, rage and flamewars, which bring views.
Re:Blue Sky - an ECHO CHAMBER for Ugly Fat Libs. (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not sure WHAT slashdot is anymore. Technical discussions have all but vanished and seemingly every topic quickly devolves into curmudgeons grinding their political axes (love Trump, hate Trump, fuck capitalism, love capitalism, etc).
It's unfortunate.
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You forgot to mention all the lame AC posters.
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At least the swastika AC guy is no longer here.
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You had your chance. You should have posted this as an "Anonymous Coward."
Ah well, this place really is dead. A sense of humor somewhat above, but not quite as funny, as Bluesky.
COWBOY NEAL!
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people who spend their day posting angry replies to twitter threads are in general not the winning type of person.
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It keeps them off the streets. (but not out of the line at Starbucks)
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> I'm not sure WHAT slashdot is anymore. Technical discussions have all but vanished and seemingly every topic quickly devolves into curmudgeons grinding their political axes (love Trump, hate Trump, fuck capitalism, love capitalism, etc).
Technical articles get like 6 comments. Political articles get hundreds. They're just giving us what we apparently want.
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This is TECHnically a discussion.....I'll see myself out.
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> Social media is not made for beneficial interaction. It's made for clicks (which is why I don't consider Slashdot social media
Okay, but you understand you're certifiably insane, right? 99% of what this site does is about getting clicks, if you don't use blockers it is absolutely covered in ads and lately they have been making changes semi-regularly to defeat the blockers. "Editors" post ragebait while holding back technical submissions in the firehose.
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cant even go to page 2 without everything breaking.
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"It's gotten to the point that many of them are fervently hoping for, and planning, assassination sprees against Republican politicians and voters."
No they aren't. This is right wing projection.
"They have decided that Thomas Crooks, Luigi Mangione, Nicholas Roske and Ryan Routh were right and justified."
No they haven't. This is right wing projection.
"...so they continue to protest in favor of genocidal theocrats as a way to defend the rights of people who want nothing more than Palestine to be free (of th
Traitors with mod points (Score:2)
Willfully assisting Trump with treason is itself treason.
Why do you hate the constitution?
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For someone who keeps saying "Constitution" and "treason", you don't seem to understand what it says or means. See [1]https://www.law.cornell.edu/co... [cornell.edu] for detailed discussion.
Similarly, if you think the CEO of a healthcare company is a "mass murderer", you don't know what the law says and are part of the assassination culture that we were criticizing.
[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-3/section-3/clause-1/treason-clause-doctrine-and-practice
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Arguments about 'left' and 'right' always get pretty stupid, and this one is no exception - guilt by association is never a good argument.
If you really wanted to characterize the 'left', why not use the literally thousands of peaceful protests that were [1]held [wikipedia.org] just a few days ago? (The answer is, of course, that it's tough to demonize a group fo people when you increase the sample size).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Off_protests
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Well played, sir! Your moderators have proven that /. does not have a sense of humor, either.
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I for one am concerned that we are culling our bueeaucrats before researchers have had a chance to find out more about their life cycle. For example, it has been observed that when a male bureaucrat selects a mate, his fellows report him to HR rather than promoting the idea of forming a relationship, as in other social cultures. Such anti-cooperative behavior would appear to violate natural section.
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Errrr...."Soy Boys"? You have a thing against soy beans? Or you have a kinky thing for "Soy Boys" that you aren't telling us about? C'mon, admit it, feminists turn you on. You can tell us, we won't repeat your fantasies to any of your friends.
What a curious affliction. Soy products are very healthy, much more so than your favorite beef cow. Did you miss out on the research into cholesterol? No matter, the current alleged Administration has you covered, they are firing the CDC and NiH personnel responsible f
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> Soy products are very healthy,
Not for men....it promotes estrogen type production and we don't need that, it's harmful to men.
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adults are on 'X' only those gullable enough to believe their cult is free,
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> Feminists and Soy Boys: losers who will never have families... These are the saddos who end up on BlueSky. A Twitter lite for Woke MORONS. Meanwhile the adults are on X, the last bastion of Free Speech.
I can remember a time when all the best comics (Bruce, Sahl, Carlin, et. al.) were leftists. They loved satire and used it against the stodgy, humorless, censorious right.
How times have changed! The left abandoned honor when it turned its sensitivity meter up to eleven. They dare not risk stepping on someone's delicate little toes.
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lol. the level of projection from conservative cucks is off the chart. keep it, maybe your wife will finally respect you. lmao.