US's AI Lead Over China Rapidly Shrinking, Stanford Report Says (axios.com)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/04/08/053232/uss-ai-lead-over-china-rapidly-shrinking-stanford-report-says
- Source link: https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/china-ai-race-stanford-report
> Institutions based in the U.S. produced 40 AI models of note in 2024, compared with 15 from China and three from Europe, according to the eighth edition of Stanford's Artificial Intelligence Index, released on Monday.
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> However, the report found that Chinese models have rapidly caught up in quality, noting that Chinese models reached near parity on two key benchmarks after being behind leading U.S. models by double digit percentages a year earlier. Plus, it said, China is now leading the U.S. in AI publications and patents.
[1] https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/china-ai-race-stanford-report
[2] https://hai.stanford.edu/ai-index/2025-ai-index-report
that's okay (Score:3)
Americans have the most important thing in the world! Confidence, and an upbringing that, you know, stresses that they're the best! American hegemony is forever. It's ordained or something.
Re: that's okay (Score:2)
And look where that got you...
Maybe there is a downside to this style of raising kids...
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this place used to be full of intelligent people who could spot sarcasm. ah well.
Re: that's okay (Score:2)
Uhm... with the current rethoric in the US, there was a pretty big chance you were serious, or is that sort of things limited to online things?
Re: that's okay (Score:1)
a more reasonable assumption is that your sarcasm detector is broken.
Re: that's okay (Score:2)
To be fair to Fons, irony was drowned in a bathtub by a desperate felon in the USA, so no statement is obviously over the top anymore. Just look at Late nite "comedy" shows ... they have no more material. Look at South Park. Canada invading the USA (or was it the other way around?) used to be funny, now it's news.
Re: that's okay (Score:2)
No I do not think so, or maybe I am stupid. Who knows...
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The last part, "It's ordained or something", Is a pretty big clue.
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> stresses that they're the best!
I always feel like that U.S. need to proclaim it anytime and anywhere is actually a sign of inferiority complex.
A real confident person doesn't need to do that.
Re: that's okay (Score:2)
The US arrogance a sign of a fragile ego? I do not think so. They really believe it. The greatest, the largest, the best,....
They actually are in a lot of fields where money is involved. Of course, there is a trade off there. Can't be good at everything. That part is hidden under the rug though.
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U.S. arrogance starts out as a belief among the proles. As you go up the political ladder, it gets used by the pols to fool the proles into believing it. That ends at the current White House where a 5 year is busy claiming to be smartest, the biggest, etc. He needs constant praise as Dear Leader because he has such a fragile ego.
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If you don't live in the US I can tell you that people here have an enormous collossal inferiority complex. Men whose penisis don't work buying enormous trucks is just a tiny facet of this.
Re: that's okay (Score:2)
Haha! Mod parent insightful. And I always thought it was just because they were just dumb inbred hillbillies. Could be both, if you can take anything away from the news. Apologies for not posting anon.
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The whole AI craze is in fact an American ruse to trick Chinese into wasting money. And it seems to be working!
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Chinese have taken the approach of "do more with less," something many Americans could learn a thing or two about. Take the education system for example.
OpenSource benchmarks (Score:2)
The problem with using opensource benchmarks is, even I can make an LLM that scores well (or any score I want) if I have the data for the benchmark available.
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[1]It's stuff like this [slashdot.org]. Not surprising Facebook cheated since everything about that company is unethical.
With all the money, hype, and politics, a lot of researchers will bend to the pressure and cheat a benchmark.
[1] https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/04/08/133257/meta-got-caught-gaming-ai-benchmarks
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I mean, I'd be impressed if you can even tie your own shoes p5, lets start with that
No need to worry. (Score:4, Insightful)
I am sure those big beautiful tariffs will fix this as well. No need to think, just listen to the great leader.
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One way to analyze a measure like tariffs is to see who will benefit. If you follow Martyanov, he makes a plausible argument that Europe will be the biggest loser -- these are export dominated economies for whom trade with the US is a vital support to their economy. What they depend on, they will now be taxed for.
Re: No need to worry. (Score:3)
Europe imports a lot of services from the US. In fact, the trade deficit between the US and Europe is insignificant (less than $50B a year).
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For now. The great uncoupling has begun. This mistake will not be made twice.
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You have it backwards. Tariffs are paid by the importer and very probably that cost is carried over to the consumer.
And EU exports many items that are quite crucial to US economy, i.e. there are no easy substitutes - thus, this hurts US economy.
Most exported goods from EU to US? Top of the list:
1. Medicinal and pharmaceutical products
2. Medicaments
3. Motor cars (BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Ferrari, Porche, Lamborghini, etc...)
4. Aircraft and associated equipment (e.g. Boeing 777/787 and F35 use Rolls-Ro
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Agree that Americans could produce equivalent goods, given sufficient time and investment, but that sounds socialist because there wouldn't be enough corporate profit. Unfortunately, with free trade, USA cannot compete economically at manufacturing in the modern world. Hence, tariffs.
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Goods wise, there is a trade deficit as the EU exports more goods to the US. If you take services, there is a trade surplus as the EU imports more services from the US.
If you take both together, the difference is tiny.
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Its best for American jobs. Democrats have been begging to return manufacturing to the US for a long time. Democrats got what they want but Bad Orange Man must always be hated, political alliances take precedent over enacting their ideology.
Personally, I'm a free trade guy, but its clear here who Trump is going to bat for- The American worker. He wants these products companies are buying oversees to be made here in the USA. What better way than hefty tarriffs? If you have a problem with this, you need to s
Re: No need to worry. (Score:2)
... what they depend on YOU will be taxed on ... ftfy
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> One way to analyze a measure like tariffs is to see who will benefit.
For each of Trump's actions and statements, Asking "does it benefit the US?" is often debatable. Asking "Does it benefit Russia?" is easier. It's always Yes.
US' what? (Score:2)
The last few Chinese models were great and the last US model is huge and doesn't seem to beat the much smaller Chinese one in many disciplines. I would say they should first catch up before talking about taking the lead again.
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Using AI to learn about biology, I found R1 better than anything so far. The US models just parroted the kind of specious answers you'd find on medline. R1 sounded like it was actually looking through peer reviewed journals. The difference is stark. Like Google's main search vs its Google Scholar (R1 beings Scholar).
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Sorry, but that's not valid evidence.
The US companies are not incentivized to release models that allow just anyone to run the AI. And everybody uses distilling to reduce the size of the model after training. (It *has* been demonstrated by US companies, just not very frequently.)
The real answer is that I expect NOBODY KNOWS who is more advanced, and in what areas. Perhaps the CCP knows, because they do a lot of spying, and they can demand access to "company private" information. Perhaps some intelligen
Wounded animal (Score:2)
The wounded animal lashes out as best it can: tariffs, institutional changes, rash measures...
State of the Art Stupid (Score:2)
I love how we’re calling any AI as “state of the art”. As if the broken conversations we’ve had with that child “mind” are mind-bogglingly insightful to grown-ass educated adults.
I suppose we’ll start labeling the works of Hunter Biden as “art” now too. I mean c’mon man. They couldn’t possibly be a scam. Neither is selling “intelligence”, right?
Label me a Troll? Find a brilliant AI and prove me wrong first.
Are Chinese papers and patents a valid metric? (Score:1)
Given how rotten software patents can be, and the notoriously poor quality of Chinese papers, are their numbers really a useful measure?
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A valid point, but a strongly biased one. You can't trust what the US companies are saying either. If they see keeping something secret as a commercial advantage, they will. (This is also true for the other players, but I think they are estimated to be further behind, so they have less advantage to lose, and perhaps none.)
What a shocker! (Score:2)
It's well known that adversity breeds strength, excellence and ingenuity. Militaries the world over rely on it, and it's one of the bases of natural selection. So why is it a surprise that embargoes and trade sanctions have given the Chinese motivation to excel, both in spite of and because of those measures?
Cutting an enemy / competitor off from the most advanced tech can confer some short-term advantages, but in the long term you may actually be strengthening the opposition.
Glad to hear it (Score:2)
Until someone comes up with a use case that can generate billions in revenue to offset the insane cost of running these models at scale, it doesn't matter who "wins" in a race to the bottom.
Researcher asks for research funds (Score:2)
It's somewhat of a self-serviing article.
Rank what is hard to rank, claim we're behind as a country, extend hand for research funds.
We see this same exact template article for US and China aerospace research programs recently.
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Extend hand for research funds? In the current U.S.? What do you not get about the Republican Party not believing in research? Apparently, for them, it grows just because it wants to.