Framework Stops Selling Some of Its Laptops in the US Due To Tariffs (404media.co)
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- News link: https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/04/08/0110226/framework-stops-selling-some-of-its-laptops-in-the-us-due-to-tariffs
- Source link: https://www.404media.co/framework-stops-selling-some-of-its-laptops-in-the-u-s-due-to-tariffs/
> "Due to the new tariffs that came into effect on April 5th, we're temporarily pausing US sales on a few base Framework Laptop 13 systems (Ultra 5 125H and Ryzen 5 7640U). For now, these models will be removed from our US site. We will continue to provide updates as we have them," Framework said in a post on X.
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> A spokesperson for Framework told 404 Media in an email that the company was pausing sales on their six lowest priced units in the U.S. They clarified that those models are still available to customers that are ordering the machines outside of America.
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Being dependent on cheap shit is a weakness (Score:2)
Being able to make things that last, and doing so yourself, is a strength.
Weaknesses can be exploited against you, both by foreign adversaries and by domestic opportunists.
Strengths tend to build on themselves and breed innovation as well as resilience in the face of adverse events.
Absolutely no one on this side of the pacific benefited from PPE wholesalers chasing the cheapest slave labor they could find and whoops we can't make our own gloves and facemasks right when we need them. On the other hand, the f
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You need to calm down.
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Those virtues are not in demand these day. Outsourcing is a direct result of the american consumer demanding cheaper and cheaper goods, and being okay with lower and lower quality (just buy three). American and Chinese companies oblige, although I agree American corporate greed is strong. In short, China has learned from the best and they only produce what we ask them to. There's no real demand for high-quality chinese goods, although people always talk like there is and then balk at the higher price.
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So.... (Score:2)
So, if I'm understanding correctly, they stopped selling out of vengeance? They're an American company located in San Fransisco.
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I do not think you understood correctly.
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Now I know not to by a computer from that petty company.
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Now we know you are a blowhard.
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I would expect you rather to applaud Framework's move to stop importing certain laptops. Isn't that the goal of the tariffs, to influence American companies to make goods here?
Re: So.... (Score:2)
It does sound like they're using tariffs as an excuse for some other weakness.
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Well if the laptops would be too expensive to sell with the tariff tacked on, why bother importing them in the first place? You expect them to simply eat the tariff and sell their laptop at the same price they do now? I am genuinely curious.
Further, theoretically the point of the tariffs are to push Americans towards American-made goods. So stopping the sale of imported Framework laptops would seem to be something that the folks who have posted here so far should applaud.
But it's obvious from the posts on
Re: So.... (Score:3)
I can't do detailed analysis now, but tariffs apply to all vendors, so if they had competitive product, they would continue to sell it despite tariffs. They don't have to import it before selling it, so they don't really need to take that risk, just add lead time.
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Yes that's one way thing they could have done. But I suspect in the end the result is the same. Demand will be gone for these low-end, low-margin laptops at a 20% price hike. Makes business sense to not even bother with them.
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That makes sense, but I still interpret this as a result of overall macroeconomic conditions (doubtless affected by the tariffs) rather than specific tariffs. It's not at all clear how significant the macroeconomic effects of the tariffs will be or even how they will measure and time out, so sortof a strange moment to quickly redefine strategy on one factor. Seems politically motivated or excusatory somehow. Sorry, I don't think I'm a conspiracy theorist, but definitely a skeptic.
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I would expect them to sell the laptop at the current price plus the tariff and see if people still buy them. Since all other laptops which I assume are imported will also go up in price by the same amount (well maybe not the same amount trumps tariff are just random). Not just give up trying to sell them.
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No, they stopped selling their lower margin machines because the margins are now negative. This is an obvious consequence of tariffs. This is how tariffs kill businesses.
They could raise the prices on their lower margin machines, but pricing of SKUs is far more complicated than that. Simply shifting all the price points upwards completely alters the revenue model.
Where Framework is located doesn't really matter- what matters is that they need to sell things made outside of the US, in the US.
So in short
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They arent trying to understand, they are paid trolls attacking anything negative to the US right now - reactions to Trumps tariffs are high on Russia agenda right now as a follow up to the tariffs themselves, because getting people het up about American companies not toeing the line increases confrontation.
See how quickly several other people chimed in with supporting comments talking negatively about the company? Its a coordinated effort.
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> They could raise the prices on their lower margin machines, but pricing of SKUs is far more complicated than that. Simply shifting all the price points upwards completely alters the revenue model.
In what way? I don't doubt you, I'm just genuinely curious how shifting prices does that. Are you saying their different models have parts sourced from different places, so costs have not gone up uniformly across their product-line?
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Because price points affect revenue in a more convoluted fashion than simply "I charged 20% more, now I make 20% more."
As you raise prices, the demand will fall depending on the intended consumer.
At the high end, you can afford to pump these pretty hard, because those fuckers will pay anything.
At the mid range, you can pump a little, but less, because there is a threshold where these people will look for something else.
At the low end, people are looking for the cheapest thing they can find. Touch that p
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No they are simply doing what Trump wants them to do. They are no longer importing certain laptops because the tariff would make them too expensive to sell. Isn't that the goal of the tariffs, to get Framework to stop importing foreign-made laptops and start making them here at home?
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> No they are simply doing what Trump wants them to do. They are no longer importing certain laptops because the tariff would make them too expensive to sell. Isn't that the goal of the tariffs, to get Framework to stop importing foreign-made laptops and start making them here at home?
What????? Not being able to sell these models profitably doesn’t equate to “and we can make them here.” How would they start making them here? Stop importing foreign components? Spin up a factory? Hire already trained Americans who know how to do this work? No. They just have to stop selling lower margin devices, and are hurt, officially, by the tariffs. This persistent belief that we can just magically make shit here, and make it affordably.
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It doesn't? Somebody tell trump quick before he ruins everything.
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Whoosh.
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(I hope)
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Guilty as charged
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On second read⦠maybe I did whoosh. I hope I did. But these days, you never actually know.
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Ya... that's why I said I hope... there's... always the possibility dude wasn't joking, but I've known caseih to make intelligent comments.
Re: So.... (Score:1)
You're not understanding supply chain, manufacturing or pretty much anything a business has to deal with. American company or not most of their components still come from overseas. Actually a quick seach show they are assembled in Taiwan as well. Since you have no knowledge about business I'll explain; the most likely reason for discontinuing some models while still providing others comes down to economics as most business decisions are.
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> So, if I'm understanding correctly, they stopped selling out of vengeance? They're an American company located in San Fransisco.
They didn't stop selling. They stopped selling several versions of one of its models.