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Camera Makers Defend Proprietary RAW Formats Despite Open Standard Alternative (theverge.com)

(Friday April 04, 2025 @11:20AM (msmash) from the closer-look dept.)


Camera manufacturers continue to [1]use different proprietary RAW file formats despite the 20-year existence of Adobe's open-source DNG (Digital Negative) format, creating ongoing compatibility challenges for photographers and software developers.

Major manufacturers including Sony, Canon, and Panasonic defended their proprietary formats as necessary for maintaining control over image processing. Sony's product team told The Verge their ARW format allows them "to maximize performance based on device characteristics such as the image sensor and image processing engine." Canon similarly claims proprietary formats enable "optimum processing during image development."

The Verge argues that this fragmentation forces editing software to specifically support each manufacturer's format and every new camera model -- creating delays for early adopters when new cameras launch. Each new device requires "measuring sensor characteristics such as color and noise," said Adobe's Eric Chan.

For what it's worth, smaller manufacturers like Ricoh, Leica, and Sigma have adopted DNG, which streamlines workflow by containing metadata directly within a single file rather than requiring separate XMP sidecar files.



[1] https://www.theverge.com/tech/640119/camera-raw-spec-format-explained-adobe-dng-canon-nikon-sony-fujifilm



thanks for the info (Score:2)

by FudRucker ( 866063 )

now i will know what to avoid if i ever buy an expensive camera

Re: (Score:2)

by FudRucker ( 866063 )

i would not buy an expensive camera unless it saves the photos in a file format that Linux & gimp can handle like jpg or png, i would also recommend staying away from google's wonky file format too like webm and webp

Re: (Score:2)

by AvitarX ( 172628 )

If you're not interested in RAW files you probably shouldn't be in the market for an expensive camera.

Duh (Score:4, Insightful)

by dfghjk ( 711126 )

"Camera manufacturers continue to use different proprietary RAW file formats despite the 20-year existence of Adobe's open-source DNG (Digital Negative) format, creating ongoing compatibility challenges for photographers and software developers."

Because transitioning offers nothing to those manufacturers or their customers. DNG was created by Adobe because it was in Adobe's interest. Referring to it as "open-source" is just a ploy to stir up a base, photographers using RAW formats are not concerned with open source, they are concerned with quality and support. Those "proprietary RAW file formats" provide quality and support.

Re: (Score:2)

by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

The advantage to photographers is that they can use the software of their choice to work with the RAW files. There are a number of open source apps, my favourite being the awkwardly named Another Raw Threapee (ART), as well as commercial ones, which support the DNG format.

One thing TFA doesn't mention is that a lot of phones support it too. Google Pixel phones produce DNG files when told to save RAWs.

A little misleading, a little true. (Score:5, Insightful)

by Frobnicator ( 565869 )

It's more complex than the article suggests.

Somewhat ironically, the problem DNG proports to solve is a problem the format itself experiences. Yes, it is true that the camera manufacturers update their image formats and it takes time for companies to catch up. But at the same time the DNG format is on it's 7th iteration, if your camera is using the 2023 version of DNG but your software only supports up to the 2021 version of DNG, it's exactly the same problem as if you've got a 2023 version from your Canon camera but your software only supports up to 2021 version.

Plus as a container format, anybody can put whatever they want in the file and you still need the matching codec for that piece of the content. In many ways it's like so many other audio and video formats, the file can be opened but the specific codec is still required.

Re: (Score:3)

by AvitarX ( 172628 )

Thank you. I suspected something similar to this.

The DNG then somewhat becomes a stumbling block as you can't even be sure if software that handles it can handle it.

The nature of a raw file being a dump from the sensors means that it will be sensor specific. I'm sure there are some perks to DNG being a single file, and probably some standardization of metadata fields, and a singular metadata format to parse, but I imagine there's a lot that is different camera to camera and brand to brand by nature of how t

Maybe that's why it's "raw"? (Score:2)

by mileshigh ( 963980 )

Seems to me that DNG and RAW are separate issues: RAW is a bunch of good 'ol bare-metal, hardware-dependent formats. I'd hate to let Adobe dictate how my hardware works. That said, there's nothing stopping cameras from emitting DNGs as a secondary derived format same way they emit JPGs.

A $500+ camera problem? (Score:2)

by MooseTick ( 895855 )

This is only a problem for people with $500+ cameras AND feel the need to tweak their pictures beyond cropping out exes and rando bystanders. The 99% of us who are happy with pics from our phones don't really care.

No one you loved ever had a wedding? (Score:2)

by Somervillain ( 4719341 )

> This is only a problem for people with $500+ cameras AND feel the need to tweak their pictures beyond cropping out exes and rando bystanders. The 99% of us who are happy with pics from our phones don't really care.

Ever hire a professional photographer for a wedding, corporate event, bar mitvah, baptism, etc? Also phones use RAW now too because it's easier to fix your mistakes, like white balance issues...ever take a pic and everyone looks like they've been soaked in piss because the homeowner thought warm 2700k lightbulbs were a good idea? Your eyes can adjust, but all digital sensors are still inferior to a human eye.

With RAW, you have a lot more ability to de-piss the photo and make whites look white instead

DNGs are not standard + don't trust Adobe (Score:3)

by Somervillain ( 4719341 )

TMK, a Canon/Sony/Nikon RAW will render consistently. I can confirm DNGs DO NOT CONSISTENTLY RENDER. They consistently render in Lightroom. Want to open in Capture One? or Apple's DNG viewer?...good luck. Adobe Lightroom uses DNGs to store destructionless edits. This is horrific for a few reasons:

1. Your edits are typically lost if you open with another program.

2. There's no guarantee you won't lose your edits in the distant future if Adobe changes their software.

3. There's no option in Adobe's software to force a final edit. So if you crop out 3/4 of the photo, your file size is still the same, wasting all those bytes...when, let's be real...you won't edit this 10 years down the road, but now you're paying Adobe's exorbitant cloud storage fees to store this file. Additionally, if there was a final edit, it would guarantee your changes are permanent and viewable across platforms or even future versions of lightroom

4. Adobe doesn't even support DNG very well any more. Their latest Lightroom Cloud version buries that option and tries to force you save RAW

I have 10 years of family photos in DNG. I regret that decision deeply. I converted them all to JPG and have never been happier. I will never make that mistake again. Adobe is probably the worst software company out there. They're very anti-consumer and Lightroom was a massive debacle.

For those who don't know. They had a decent program for 20 years ago named Lightroom. However, it BREAKS and corrupts data if opened from another location, so you can't use it with Dropbox between your desktop and laptop, for example. This is because it internally uses a database to store your edits that writes data on close. Also, since it writes the edits in a DB, you don't see them unless you export. It also has shockingly horrid performance. So they create a cloud-native version. They name it Lightroom and the original one "Lightroom classic"...which is the dumbest decision in the history of software.

OK, so their new Lightroom (let's call it LR Cloud) SUUUUUUCKS. It has about 1/10th of the features, but it performs well and works cloud natively and they charge a monthly fee to use it. The fee is reasonable until you realize it doesn't support local storage. You can export, but until recently, not really read from local storage. So now you have a dead product they barely support and forces you to use a single machine. You have a cloud native one that until 10 years after it was released, was largely useless.

And the worst part? Because the new product is named "Lightroom" everytime you google something, like "Lightroom tethering," it will open a 15 year old blog post explaining how to do it on the old version, but not the new.

How badly do you want to depend on this company to steward the ability for software to read photos of your children? DNG was a disaster and can't be trusted. Adobe is one of the least trusted names in software by their users. Being a Lightroom customer is a lot like being an Oracle RDBMS user...you use it because you're afraid of the competitors with your valuable data, but you hate every step of it and curse it and think "There's got to be a better way" every time....but people are very risk averse with their photos and their data...so it's a profitable product.

Finally, RAW formats are very specific to manufacturers and their hardware. Canon stores dual pixel info, for example, that can slightly alter focus. There are a lot of minor proprietary features that are here today and gone tomorrow and will vary widely by model. Standardizing that would be a disaster. Camera bodies are not a commodity to standardize. They're expensive professional instruments that experts tweak to eeeek out the tiniest of performance benefits or useful features. The manufacturers have good reasons to avoid anything from Adobe, especially DNG and the users would hate the result.

Want to fix the problem the author is complaining about? How about a good

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