NASA, Yale, and Stanford Scientists Consider 'Scientific Exile' (404media.co)
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> Last week, Aix Marseille University, France's largest university, invited American scientists who believe their work is at risk of being censored by Donald Trump administration's anti-science policies to continue their research in France. Today, the university announced that it is already seeing great interest from scientists at NASA, Yale, Stanford, and other American schools and government agencies, and that it wants to expand the program to other schools and European countries to absorb all the researchers who want to leave the United States. "We are witnessing a new brain drain," Eric Berton, Aix Marseille University's president, said in a [1]press release . "We will do everything in our power to help as many scientists as possible continue their research. However, we cannot meet all demands on our own. The Ministry of Education and Research is fully supporting and assisting us in this effort, which is intended to expand at both national and European levels."
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> The press release from the university claims that researchers from Stanford, Yale, NASA, the National Institute of Health, George Washington University, "and about 15 other prestigious institutions," are [2]now considering "scientific exile ." More than 40 American scientists have expressed interest in the program, it said. Their key research areas are "health (LGBT+ medicine, epidemiology, infectious diseases, inequalities, immunology, etc.), environment and climate change (natural disaster management, greenhouse gases, social impact, artificial intelligence), humanities and social sciences (communication, psychology, history, cultural heritage), astrophysics."
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> "The current Executive Orders have led to a termination of one of my research grants. While it was not a lot of money, it was a high profile, large national study," one researcher who has reached out to Aix Marseille University in order to take advantage of the program told me. 404 Media granted the researcher anonymity because speaking about the program might jeopardize their current position at a leading American university. "While I have not had to lay off staff as a result of that particular cancellation, I will have to lay off staff if additional projects are terminated. Everything I focus on is now a banned word." The program, called "Safe Place for Science," initially will fund 15 researchers with 15 million Euros. Aix Marseille University says that it is already working closely with the regional government and France's Chamber of Commerce and Industry "to facilitate the arrival of these scientists and their families in the region, offering support with employment, housing, school access, transportation, and visas."
"We are doing what is necessary to provide them with the best living environment. We are ready to welcome them and will make them true children of the country!" Renaud Muselier, President of the Regional Council of Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur, said in a statement.
[1] https://www.univ-amu.fr/fr/public/actualites/safe-place-science-aix-marseille-universite-prete-accueillir-les-scientifiques
[2] https://www.404media.co/nasa-yale-and-stanford-scientists-consider-scientific-exile-french-university-says/
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> greenhouse gases
Basic fucking physics? Not science! XD
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But 'greenhouse gases' is not a science. Sure, gases can be studied, physics can be used to study about the total increase in energy potential in a system, maybe it can be used for some predictions. However the way this is singled out into a 'science' tells me this is more of an agenda class. Note that I am more than certain that there is climate change due to our behavior and it can be studied with physics, but this sounds like a political statement more than a physics study.
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Ignoring an existential threat because it is supposedly a "political statement" is a (stupid) political statement.
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who said anything about ignoring an 'existential threat'? Again, I wouldn't pay my own money to someone studying 'greenhouse gases' at a university, but you are absolutely welcome to spend as much as you personally desire on it. I certainly can see some use in private enterprise building engines based on Na (sodium) to bind CO2 and precipitate it into the oceans, deacidifying the water in process, while both, reflecting the Sun light with the mist created by the chemical reaction and producing energy. I
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1. Propose privately funded cockamamie geoengineering schemes.
2. ??
3. Profit!
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not just propose, make it into reality and then profit.
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It's roman_mir, anything that's not going to immediately make money for someone is evil and should be prohibited. He's one of the most hard-core Liber tard ians you'll ever meet.
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The depth of scientific rot in America is such that people feel no shame in saying that "they don't believe "greenhouse gases" is science."
And this statement is made without irony.
Morons no longer fear the shaming of their own stupidity.
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Like I said already [1]https://science.slashdot.org/c... [slashdot.org] physics is science, this sounds like a separate item dedicated to an agenda. You can use ad hominem all day long, I know climate is changing and I know we are causing some of it, however it doesn't mean you can come out with yet another political topic and just call it a 'science'.
[1] https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23635383&cid=65232109
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Most climate science is done in the geology department of universities.
Most epidemiology takes place in the same school as biostatistics.
Your comments are completely asinine. Nor is it your job as a lay person (nor the administration's job as a fucking bunch of idiots) to suppose what a "useful study" is, to suppose what funding is usefully spent with no insight into the various fields, or to degenerate science into "useful" and "not useful."
You have no idea. You've probably never read a scientific journa
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As I said, wouldn't spend my own money on it and wouldn't force or expect anyone else to spend a dime on it. But if you like to spend money on whatever your heart desires, it is your right, where exactly is your problem with what I am saying? Yes, I wouldn't give any money of my own, so any of time of my own, that I live on this planet, to anything listed there.
Re: sprinkle sprinkle (Score:2)
You do know a lot of research is going into sequestration. It's not an exhausted field of study and there is a lot of research and investment into how to capture it effectively to allow otherwise polluting industries to continue to operate. There are numerous examples of pure science and research that accidentally leads to new understanding and discoveries outside of their intended focus, look up serendipity and science.
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[1]https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org] as I said, as a private investor I could spend money on something that would bind CO2, reflect Sun light and deacidify the oceans. Having a university fund a program with the money that is taxed or printed or borrowed? I am against it.
[1] https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23635383&cid=65232141
This is how the US snapped up Germany's Best (Score:2)
This time though it's not Jewish Scientists who are being made unemployable, but anyone who does serious science. This administration has it out for anyone who won't agree with the New King of the US.
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Anyone who does serious science? Nonsense. A lot on that list is some of the least useful "science". If the US (or the west in general) doesn't clean up it's act when it comes to serious science, we'll be f**** by nations that focus on real science. Look up the replication crisis and tell me "science" (the way science is done now) is not in trouble.
Cultural changes (Score:2)
I suspect the language barrier could be a significant issue outside the academic environment, but if they can learn the local language to a usable level and are open to accepting the cultural differences many of those scientist will never return the USA even if the USA gets a sane president in future.
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Didn't we already have a brain drain from the US to the UK over the Bush W era bans relating to embryonic stem cell research?
[1]https://www.science.org/conten... [science.org]
"Stem Cell Expert Leaves U.S.
UCSF fertility researcher transfers to Britain, spurring fears of brain drain
17 Jul 2001
By Gretchen Vogel
A noted U.S. fertility researcher is relocating to England in a move that some researchers say underscores the uncertainty created by the current debate over government funding of research involving embryonic stem cells
[1] https://www.science.org/content/article/stem-cell-expert-leaves-us
This is what America voted for. (Score:3)
'nuff said.
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See also: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik