US To Halt Offensive Cyber Operations Against Russia (techcrunch.com)
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- News link: https://it.slashdot.org/story/25/03/03/2247209/us-to-halt-offensive-cyber-operations-against-russia
- Source link: https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/03/us-said-to-halt-offensive-cyber-operations-against-russia/
> The United States has [1]suspended its offensive cyber operations against Russia , according to reports, amid efforts by the Trump administration to grant Moscow concessions to end the war in Ukraine. The reported order to halt U.S.-launched hacking operations against Russia was authorized by U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, according to The Record. The new guidance affects operations carried out by U.S. Cyber Command, a division of the Department of Defense focused on hacking and operations in cyberspace, but does not apply to espionage operations conducted by the National Security Agency. The reported order has since been confirmed by [2]The New York Times and [3]The Washington Post .
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> The order was handed down before Friday's Oval Office meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, according to the reports. The New York Times said that the instruction came as part of a broader effort to draw Russian President Vladimir Putin into talks about the country's ongoing war in Ukraine. [4]The Guardian also reports that the Trump administration has signaled it no longer views Russian hackers as a cybersecurity threat, and reportedly ordered U.S. cybersecurity agency CISA to no longer report on Russian threats. The newspaper cites a recent memo that set out new priorities for CISA, including threats faced by China and protecting local systems, but the memo did not mention Russia. CISA employees were reportedly informed verbally that they were to pause any work on Russian cyber threats.
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2025/03/03/us-said-to-halt-offensive-cyber-operations-against-russia/
[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/02/us/politics/hegseth-cyber-russia-trump-putin.html
[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/03/01/trump-putin-russia-cyber-offense-cisa/
[4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security
In Soviet America, (Score:3)
You might think that malware extortion is bad, but that's our new friends, the Russians!
So don't bother calling the FBI, just think of it as a funny shaped tariff.
West Wing (Score:4, Informative)
> amid efforts by the Trump administration to grant Moscow concessions to end the war in Ukraine
Even Trump isn't such a bad negotiator that he'd be handing over the concessions before the deal is made.
Clearly the West Wing's full title is now the "West Wing of the Kremlin"?
It's Russia (Score:3)
The most critical infrastructure Russia likely has connected to the internet are a few Tuya smart bulbs in Putin's bedroom. I'm sure he's pleased to know that we'll finally stop hacking them to flash red white and blue. It was really starting to get on his nerves.
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Red, White, and Blue are their colors too.
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> Red, White, and Blue are their colors too.
White, blue, and red. Mind the order or you're likely to fall from a window, comrade.
Ostrich strategy strikes again (Score:4, Insightful)
ordered U.S. cybersecurity agency CISA to no longer report on Russian threats.
Ah yes, the orange idiotâ€(TM)s Covid strategy. Worked out so well last time.
Re:Ostrich strategy strikes again (Score:5, Insightful)
The head of the CIA, Tulsi gabbard, is literally a Russian plant. That's not an exaggeration. And the Republicans in the Senate appointed her.
This administration is so insane and so corrupt and so terrifying I don't even know where to begin listing out all the problems and horrors. We will be lucky if we just have a deep deep deep recession. It's entirely possible we're up going into a great depression and we might never come out of it.
And it's painfully obvious they don't intend to allow any of us to vote anymore. That includes people who voted for Trump last year. When the economy collapses they will come to their senses briefly and the Republican party has every intention of preventing them from voting. Using standard voter suppression tactics in the form of Jim Crow laws and sending two few voting machines. They also slow down the mail these days.
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I hear that a lot, and I could believe it. But I also heard about the Russians and Hunter Biden from the other time which was just plain BS. You'll have to do better than just use innuendo. If you're going to make an accusation against gabbard like that, you need to back it up.
Otherwise I agree with you entirely.
Re:Ostrich strategy strikes again (Score:4, Informative)
> I hear that a lot, and I could believe it. But I also heard about the Russians and Hunter Biden from the other time which was just plain BS. You'll have to do better than just use innuendo. If you're going to make an accusation against gabbard like that, you need to back it up.
[1]"Tulsi Gabbard’s history with Russia is even more concerning than you think" [independent.co.uk]
Of course, that isn't proof that she's a Russian agent. Never attribute to malice and all that.
[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-russian-connection-dni-trump-syria-b2692244.html
Re:Ostrich strategy strikes again (Score:4, Informative)
> If you're going to make an accusation against gabbard like that, you need to back it up.
> Otherwise I agree with you entirely.
This Rolling Stone article details her love of Russian Propaganda. [1]https://archive.ph/QdNXl [archive.ph]
[1] https://archive.ph/QdNXl
Facts don't matter to these people (Score:2)
It's why I didn't bother linking to that or any of the dozens of other well researched articles. Also keep in mind that is tiny as this little forum has become over the years compared to what it was we still have bots all over it for some reason. I think that they are a leftover from when this site was much bigger.
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Your linked article attempts and fails to make a big deal by accusing Tulsi Gabbard that she "consumes" (whatever that means) Russian media. So what? I read BBC, does that make me a [1]Loyalist [wikipedia.org]?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalist_(American_Revolution)
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rsilvergun, generally I'm on your side and I respect you. However, it really would help all of us if you could share the links to articles that brought you to your conclusion, so that we're all examining the same evidence in this discussion. Otherwise we could just wind up confusing each other by finding articles online that don't match the ones you claim are out there.
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I'm not sure he even knows how to use ChatGPT. In previous political discussions he'd still been repeating the same old song and dance about how we're in this mess because the voters are afraid of trans folks (although thankfully, he seemed to refrain from it finally in this discussion).
Most voters are relatively low information. They see high grocery and gas prices and take it out on the administration in power at the time. If most people truly followed along with the issues, we wouldn't have a presiden
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You know nothing about what I feel or think about all of this. You just assumed you did. And you got it very wrong. Where did I say everything is fine? In fact did you even read what I wrote or did you get lost after I asked you to prove your accusation?
I know as well as anyone she's unqualified for the job and with her lanky are destroying the FBI from the inside. But you never said any of that. I'm also well aware that Trump has destroyed the country and sold the US to putin, and I strongly doubt the
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Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
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This Rolling Stone article explains it pretty well. [1]https://archive.ph/QdNXl [archive.ph]
[1] https://archive.ph/QdNXl
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> The head of the CIA, Tulsi gabbard, is literally a Russian plant. That's not an exaggeration.
It absolutely is. Hillary Clinton hallucinated that accusation without a shred of evidence. Just like Clinton Campaign [1]fabricated [cnn.com] Russian collusion dossier against Trump.
You should know better. For shame spreading hoaxes.
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html
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Hillary Clinton repeated a claim that's been made for many years before she said it. I recall the photos of Gabbard with Putin circulating long before Clinton said anything.
The Steele Dossier was originally commissioned by a Republican anti-Trump group, and then the funding was taken over by the Democrats. The story you link to speaks nothing of the credibility of the dossier (the CNN article reports it was improperly funded as "legal services" rather than "opposition research"), which for the most part was
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None of what you say substantiated by a shred of evidence. More so, you are doubling-down with attempted smears by trying in to somehow tie in Epstein. Sorry to say this, you are suffering from a terminal case of TDS and it spread into logic and reasoning areas of your brain.
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No amount of evidence short of Trump and Putin giving a joint press conference declaring it's true would satisfy your brainwashed idiot ass. And afterwards, you'd pivot to parroting their reasoning for why it was a good thing.
Fantastic investment (Score:5, Insightful)
Russia's investment in Trump is paying off beyond their wildest dreams.
Re:Fantastic investment (Score:5, Insightful)
As explained in this article: [1]https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
This article is 4 years old, by the way and the books by Craig Unger are written now.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
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New republican mantra Better red than liberal!
Appeasement (Score:5, Interesting)
This is obviously the right way to get nationalist dictators to stop attacking their neighbors.
Donald “Kompromat” Trump (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump’s behaviour is way past appeasement. There is only one plausible explanation: kompromat.
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A second possibility: Trump's a willing agent of Russia.
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A third possibility: it's a simple marriage of convenience. Trump (and his inner circle) are OK with cyberattacks as long as the cyberattackers promise to help them get re-elected.
Bizarre. (Score:4, Insightful)
On an almost daily basis I have to check to see if somebody has mistaken an Onion article for a serious one.
Trump is Putin's Cabana Boy (Score:5, Insightful)
Parting of allies, weakening of military, Donald Trump is a traitor.
WE have joined the axis of evil. (Score:4, Informative)
To use a G.W. Bush expression, we have joined the axis of evil. So we are allied with Russia. And what's left of the free world is our enemy. Or rather, we are their enemy now. Trust in the U.SA. is plummeting and soon everything that depends on that trust will go down like for example my U.S. dollars.
Meme from a friend regarding the MAGA crowd (Score:5, Interesting)
"Russia was able to take over 50% of America in a fraction of the time it took to take over 20% of Ukraine."
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It's weird because I'd thought we'd made a lot of progress in the area of tolerance towards LGBTQ+ folks, but then the MAGA movement started and suddenly all the legislative attacks were dialed up to 11. Then you look at how homophobic Russia is and how they used the exact same fucking playbook and you can't help but think Russia had a hand in influencing all this.
Funny thing is, no amount of punching down at minorities has made Russia any less of a shithole. Republicans going along with this should take
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Yeah, I had a real "this shit is BACK?" moment a little while ago now.
Don't get me wrong, I know it was still around on some level but it wasnt anywhere near as brazen as this for a while.
So, in a nutshell (Score:2)
- CISA's reports are now essentially worthless.
- Once again, Trump's behavior seems to indicate that, for all its flaws, the Steele Dossier is fundamentally accurate.
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The only problem is that the Steele Dossier [1]was fabricated [cnn.com] on behalf of [2]Clinton Campaign [cnn.com].
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html
[2] https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html
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What flavor was the kool aid?
There is no doubt (Score:4, Insightful)
Donald Trump is a Russian asset. Anyone who says otherwise is either a Russian apologist or willfully blind. He [1]repeats Russian talking points [kyivpost.com] on Ukraine such as it was Ukraine's fault for starting the war, berates a man whose country has been invaded, and is now [2]stopping all aid to Ukraine [reuters.com], while at the same time on the verge of [3]lifting sanctions on Russia [newsweek.com].
There can be no doubt Trump has been compromised since his 1987 trip to Moscow and is working directly with Putin to undermine this country.
[1] https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48181
[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-pauses-military-aid-ukraine-media-reports-2025-03-04/
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/us-considering-easing-sanctions-russia-after-trump-zelensky-meltdown-2038972
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> Donald Trump is a Russian asset. Anyone who says otherwise is either a Russian apologist or willfully blind. He [1]repeats Russian talking points [kyivpost.com] on Ukraine such as it was Ukraine's fault for starting the war, berates a man whose country has been invaded, and is now [2]stopping all aid to Ukraine [reuters.com], while at the same time on the verge of [3]lifting sanctions on Russia [newsweek.com].
> There can be no doubt Trump has been compromised since his 1987 trip to Moscow and is working directly with Putin to undermine this country.
So much TDS! Mueller investigation cleared President Krasnov of any suspicion!!!
[1] https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48181
[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-pauses-military-aid-ukraine-media-reports-2025-03-04/
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/us-considering-easing-sanctions-russia-after-trump-zelensky-meltdown-2038972
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Congrats, you have developed a hypothesis! You have some intuitions about why the hypothesis is reasonable. Now you have a choice.
You can do the scientific thing, and attack your hypothesis as hard as you can. How will you test it? Or, you can do the conspiracy theory thing and just assume you are right. That's more comfortable.
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The whole photo op was a setup to create an excuse to help Russia. Zelenski was going into an ambush and it didn't even look convincing; I noticed fox didn't show the thing which they would only do if it went well. While other sources showed most of it so you could see just how bad it was. I also think some people need help with the "feeling" part of the meeting because they may be as slow as Trump was.
To be fair (Score:2)
We did spend a lot of money and have had literally no measurable success in reducing the amount of incidents from CIS-based individuals and outfits.
\o/ (Score:2)
I can't understand all the anti-TrumpTrumpTrump comments. A majority of you voted for him (not counting the fake votes and people who were prevented from voting), suck it up (*) - it's democracy in action in the land of the free.
(*) Or do something about it
+1 troll in 3, 2, 1..
What offensive operations? (Score:2)
What have we been doing to attack Russian assets, and how was CISA involved?
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Good questions.
Russian crime-gangs (Score:2)
> ... grant Moscow concessions to end the war ...
No, Trump wants to do business in countries where they don't claim political donations are different to bribes. So the US departments that stop that, have to stop.
> ... suspended its offensive cyber operations ...
The US has suspended all operations against Russian criminals, including stealing boats from crime-gang bosses.
A Russian Cyber attack is happening now (Score:2)
I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to reveal from my employer, but a state-sponsored hacking group is actively attacking US infrastructure with a network of 1.8m computers from Brazil & Chile. They are going after water processing, waste processing, electric companies and railroads. The attacks have been getting wider over the past 2 weeks and have resulted in DDOS situations twice over the past month. If Trump is now shutting down cyber-command on Putin's orders, we're fucked.
Compromised (Score:2)
Trump is compromised. Everything he's done pertaining to US relations with Russia indicate that he has at best been compromised by Russia and is at worst a Russian agent.
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And you reckon a bunch of people with AR-15s will be able do to anything about it?
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This gets trotted out but just imagine if every household had an AR-15. The government doesn't have the resources to stop that many people. Not to mention, the military would also have many defectors.
So yes, I really do think tens of millions of civilians with AR-15s is a huge problem for a government wanting to take over.
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> This gets trotted out but just imagine if every household had an AR-15. The government doesn't have the resources to stop that many people. Not to mention, the military would also have many defectors.
> So yes, I really do think tens of millions of civilians with AR-15s is a huge problem for a government wanting to take over.
It might pose something of a problem for "a government taking over", if you're talking about a ground invasion by a hostile foreign power. It has no relevance at all for the situation we are facing-- which is a bunch of democratically elected leaders doing very bad things. (Trump is the figurehead but he's not acting alone). What do you expect all those people are going to *do* with their millions of AR-15s, anyway? March on Washington? In the (incredibly unlikely) event that they prevail by sheer force
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Now imagine that, like most fascist regimes, or tyrannies in general, instead of going after most people, which is logistically impractical even if most people aren't armed, the regime simply targets unpopular but blameless minorities - you know, like jews, blacks, LGBT, etc.
Do you think those groups are actually going to be able to arm themselves knowing the tyranny will be backed by 30%+ of the rest of the population, with 30% not caring, and the other 30% not directly provoked and uncertain whether they
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If every household had an AR-15, we'd probably see multiple school shootings per day plus a crapload of other mayhem. If 0.1% of the population committed violent crimes (this is likely an under-estimate) you'd be giving about 350,000 violent criminals access to AR-15s. What could possibly go wrong?
At that point, the government would indeed be the least of your worries, so I guess there's that.
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Also... guns are a technology. No social problem has ever been fixed by technology.
You have to fix the underlying social issues. No matter how much weaponry a private citizen accumulates, the government is going to be able to out-do that dozens of times over. Very helpful to be holed up with your AR-15 while the army puts a tank round through your house.
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The irony, right? All along, the threat - implied and stated - from the 2A nuts was always the Democrats in power. Gun sales went up when Dems were elected, because the fkn nut jobs on the right always claimed that, "Them Dems are coming after your guns!" Though the claim never came to pass. Turns out the nuts were partly correct; just identified the wrong party. So what we have here is a "stopped clock being right twice" scenario.
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> The problem is that American have this silly idea that owning guns protect them from a dictatorship.
The reality is that some people just like playing with guns. Those folks have a grab bag list of reasons they call upon which sound more mature and legitimate than "I like to pretend play soldier." Potheads do exactly the same thing, listing all the wonderful reasons why marijuana is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the truth is they really don't care about weaving hemp baskets, they just want to get high.
Most of us who own guns but aren't obsessed with them have absolutely no delusions that the
deeply troubling (Score:5, Insightful)
I can slightly understand the motivation for "halt U.S.-launched hacking operations against Russia" if there is a diplomatic effort underway, but I would condition it on a similar cessation of Russian attacks. No sign that this was done?
"reportedly ordered U.S. cybersecurity agency CISA to no longer report on Russian threats"
"CISA employees were reportedly informed verbally that they were to pause any work on Russian cyber threats"
This is way, way out there. This is deep trouble. For all of us.
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> This is deep trouble. For all of us.
Tell that to Donald after they clean his bank accounts out.
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LOL, donold have been on their payroll since the 80s.
Re: deeply troubling (Score:2)
Who do you think put the money in his accounts in the first place.
Re:deeply troubling (Score:5, Insightful)
This is completely insane. It easily meets the constitutional definition of treason. Russia is actively involved in cyberattacks against the US, and Trump is ordering the government to stop defending against them and pretend they don't exist. He's sold us out to Putin.
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> This is completely insane. It easily meets the constitutional definition of treason. Russia is actively involved in cyberattacks against the US, and Trump is ordering the government to stop defending against them and pretend they don't exist. He's sold us out to Putin.
Episode #2431 in Trump pulling weird inexplicable shit for the benefit of Russia.
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Basically what I read, too.
Like, "wow - that's fucked up... and completely unsurprising."
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I agree it's insane. And it's bad. And it certainly looks like Trump is selling the USA out to Putin.
But constitutionally it's not treason, because the constitution specifies treason as aiding or giving comfort to enemies. Yeah, I don't like Russia either, but they're not formally an enemy because the USA is not at war with them, nor has declared such.
Believe me, I wish it were treason, because then it could be grounds for impeachment.
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> Believe me, I wish it were treason, because then it could be grounds for impeachment.
The grounds for impeachment are purposefully ambiguous.
Judges have been impeached because Congress didn't like their decorum.
So, since the "grounds for impeachment" are subjectively decided by the party in power, I assert that there is literally nothing under the sun that doesn't directly attack a majority of the Republican party directly, that are currently grounds for impeachment for Trump.
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> Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
That doesn't seem "purposefully ambiguous."
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How on Earth can you interpret it as not?
If I assert that I can punch you in the face for: A) punching me, B) punching my wife, or C) literally any rule I have the power to decide on , would you not call that ambiguous?
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It seems clear enough to me. To be impeached and removed from office, you have to have committed a crime, even a misdemeanor. Simply following unorthodox "decorum" won't cut it.
Of course, impeaching a president and removing him/her from office requires sufficient will from the members of Congress. We have seen how hard that is to obtain.
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That's a literal reading of the meaning of High Crime and Misdemeanor.
Franklin, Hamilton, and Madison wrote at length indicating that the meaning of that particular phrase was the meaning used at the time, which included being "obnoxious", and "perfidy".
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Hmm but didn't we decide we had to go with what the words mean *now*? I.e. it doesn't matter what "well regulated" meant then or how the militia worked then. Now it means organized structure of the government with numerous specific safeguards and militia, notwithstanding how it's defined even the current US Code, only means National Guard.
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> Hmm but didn't we decide we had to go with what the words mean *now*?
Nope, but I sense a straw man approaching.
> I.e. it doesn't matter what "well regulated" meant then or how the militia worked then.
Regulated meant what it means now.
Military regulations are proscribed by Congress, as was expected of the miltia as well. The idea that it meant "drilling" is absurd, and easily disproven with 5 minutes of reading the Federalist Papers that deal with the subject.
Hamilton, Federalist 29:
> If standing armies are dangerous to liberty, an efficacious power over the militia, in the body to whose care the protection of the State is committed, ought, as far as possible, to take away the inducement and the pretext to such unfriendly institutions. If the federal government can command the aid of the militia in those emergencies which call for the military arm in support of the civil magistrate, it can the better dispense with the employment of a different kind of force. If it cannot avail itself of the former, it will be obliged to recur to the latter. To render an army unnecessary, will be a more certain method of preventing its existence than a thousand prohibitions upon paper.
Does that sound like he's talking about making sure the militia drilled?
Well-regulated militia means exactly what it sounds like it means- A group of citizen soldiers under Federa
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> To be impeached and removed from office, you have to have committed a crime
Incorrect. One need only piss off the majority of the house and 66% of the Senate. It's not a criminal proceeding, it's a political one. It is, quite literally, a popularity contest. I'm not sure why 99.9999999% of Americans think impeachment must have a predicate criminal action - it doesn't, never has. It MIGHT have one, but it's not strictly required.
I think Lawrence Tribe wrote about it during Bill Clinton's stained dress fiasco. Having hugs, even in the oval, isn't a crime but the Pugs sure whaled to m
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Put differently, the Constitution asserts that a couple things are impeachable offenses, and nothing that can be made illegal is not.
If Congress makes it illegal to shit on the White House lawn, and then Trump does it- he can be impeached. Or not, if the party in power decides it doesn't want to.
Even if he directly commits treason (which, let's be clear- he has not) there's nothing forcing Congress to impeach him, but at least at that point, you can't argue that its not an impeachable offense.
To quite H
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Thanks for your replies. You seem well read-up on this.
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Many years back, I decided to pull my boots up and read the entirety of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and the 1787 Constitutional Convention debate notes.
I think it should be required for every single person in this country, so that each person forms their own opinions about the intents of the authors of their ancient documents.
Instead, we tend to argue based on an evolving mythology of what "The Founding Fathers Would Roll In Their Grave Over" that we each spin ac
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Oh fuck off. Nobody said anything about constitutional definitions. Refusing to protect the US against attacks from a foreign, hostile, nation because you're in fucking bed and admire their fascist leader with them meets any reasonable dictionary definition of treason.
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Wrong.
It is the President's purview to decide what to respond to and how, and that includes refusing to.
It would definitely be grounds for impeachment considerations from a less partisan Congress, though, under dereliction of duty- but that's why that decision is up to the Congress, and not you.
You seem to think that the President doesn't have the power to change the direction of foreign policy- in this case- some kind of fucked up world-shithead-club with Russia.
The President does in fact, have that p
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He's already committed impeachable offenses in violating numerous laws including the [1]Impoundment Control Act [wikipedia.org] that was passed in 1974 directly as a response to Nixon trying to do the same shit:
> Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the president may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within forty-five days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation.
It doesn't seem like he's requesting. And I have a feeling that the funds will not "be made available for obligation" anywhere in the same vicinity of 45 days after his not-requests.
By the way, this is also a piece of why Trump was impeached the first time. Congress passed a law saying that $X will be spent on ${THIN
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974#Impoundment
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Where did you get the idea that "enemy" is defined solely as a declared war? See Article III, section 3 of the Constitution. It doesn't say anything of the sort.
By your definition, the US has never had a single enemy since 1945. Not in Korea or Vietnam. Not through the whole cold war. Not the Taliban or ISIS or Al-Qaeda or any other groups that actively attacked American soldiers and civilians. Not a single one of them was an enemy, according to you. But that's just your definition, not anything foun
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I want to know where you got that idea that "enemy" is defined by you , and not the President of the United States , and its Congress
You are otherwise correct, that it does not mean someone we are at war with (exclusively).
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> It easily meets the constitutional definition of treason.
No, it does not.
As fucked up as this is, misuse of the word treason is arguably as bad, because it has destroyed any meaning of the fucking word, like fascist.
Donald Trump is not levying war against the United States (though arguments that he is are certainly fun to engage in- this here is real life)
Donald Trump is not adhering to, or giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.
He is engaging in Foreign Policy. Your reading of that would make it treason to sue for peace, which is the red
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This is not engaging in foreign policy. He literally ordered the government not to defend against attacks by a country that is actively engaged in attacks against us. That is giving aid and comfort to an enemy. It isn't even an ambiguous case.
Foreign policy would be things like holding meetings and negotiating treaties. That isn't what we're talking about.
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> This is not engaging in foreign policy.
Yes, it is.
> He literally ordered the government not to defend against attacks by a country that is actively engaged in attacks against us.
Do you think the President does not have the authority to issue a unilateral ceasefire? He is the only person with the authority to do so for the United States.
> That is giving aid and comfort to an enemy.
No, it is not.
> It isn't even an ambiguous case.
You don't like the guy- we get it.
> Foreign policy would be things like holding meetings and negotiating treaties.
That is part of Foreign Policy- yes.
> That isn't what we're talking about.
You don't like him. You don't like this. These are both reason sentiments that I agree with.
However, in your dislike of him, you have ejected your brain from your skull and tried to think the left over neurotransmitters that control your anger. This isn't
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> It easily meets the constitutional definition of treason. He's sold us out to Putin.
Brining down temperature with Russia is a reasonable and responsible diplomacy. Hysterics like yours is exactly how you end up one mistake away from a nuclear war. Sorry, whatever you think about politics, Ukraine, or anything else just does not worth the risk of WW3 and nukes flying.
Re:deeply troubling (Score:4, Insightful)
So appeasement of the guy who rattles the nuclear war sabre.
I don't think that's going to work out the way you think it will. Give Neville Chamberlain a wikipedia lookup for why.
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Is Reagan still the greatest republican? He had this to say on the matter.
Yes, let us pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness—pray they will discover the joy of knowing God. But until they do, let us be aware that while they preach the supremacy of the State, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world .... So, in your discussions of the nuclear freeze
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Calling him a traitor is hysterical.
However, your your argument for appeasement, that I'm not sure you even made, is equally absurd.
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*not sure you realize you even made
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Cessation of offensive actions is not in and of itself unreasonable, but stopping reporting of Russia's threats/offensive actions leaves American infrastructure vulnerable for no (non treasonous) reason. Everyone that runs any large IT organization, for example, depends on intel from our government on hostile actions to be on the lookout for.
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Ever since that meeting last week I've been calling him a traitor, because he is. If we lived in a just world he would be hanging from a rope by now.
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No, it does not meet the constitutional definition of treason. We are not at war with Russia. Malfeasance in office I'll grant, but that's a different crime.
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Since when do articles from left aligned media reporting based on unnamed sources meet the bar for treason? These are the same media orgs that relied on bogus information in their reporting about the Steele Dossier. Honestly, how many times are you going to fall for the same crap? The department of Homeland Security denies this memo came from the Trump administration as stated in the article, and yet without even knowing where these conflicting reports came from you are ready to hang him. The truth is you a
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> "CISA employees were reportedly informed verbally that they were to pause any work on Russian cyber threats"
This is clearly treason. What part of this don't you understand?
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From the summary above:
> CISA employees were reportedly informed verbally that they were to pause any work on Russian cyber threats.
People are given orders verbally when their superiors want deniability that they gave the order.
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Equally troubling is that no one in the Republican caucus seems to see this action as a problem. Or at least no backbone to speak up. Goodness.
For anyone who has ever been on the internet, this statement is bats--t crazy: "...the Trump administration has signaled it no longer views Russian hackers as a cybersecurity threat " If not the #1 threat they are a close #2 to China.
Majority Members: Select Committee on Intelligence
Cotton, Tom (AR), Chairman
Risch, James E. (ID)
Collins, Susan M. (ME)
Cornyn, Jo
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People do a very good job ignoring things when it is in their best interest not to see them, such as when a sociopathic leader with a tendency to viciously attack anyone who disagrees with him also knows where the skeletons are buried.
Re:deeply troubling (Score:5, Insightful)
Because they're cowards, all of them. Elmo has promised to fund the opponent of anyone who fails to fall in line. [1]https://thehill.com/policy/tec... [thehill.com]
This is fucking terrifying.
[1] https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5133777-elon-musk-threatens-republican-senators/
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Someone needs to remake [1]this cartoon [senate.gov] with just a big fat Elon looming over the Senate. Or perhaps a big bottle of "Musk" as a thinly-veiled metaphor, with stench fumes choking everyone.
[1] https://www.senate.gov/art-artifacts/historical-images/political-cartoons-caricatures/38_00392.htm
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Why would they? Their party doesn't see Russia as a geopolitical adversary.
I do. You probably do. They are free not to- and they are in power.
This is one of those pesky "consequences of an election".
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Anyone with a backbone was primaried out years ago. Dissent will not be tolerated from the official narrative, no matter how little intersection with easily observed reality.