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Outgoing NASA Administrator Urges Incoming Leaders To Stick With Artemis Plan (arstechnica.com)

(Tuesday January 07, 2025 @05:00AM (BeauHD) from the what-to-expect dept.)


Before NASA Administrator Bill Nelson retires in a couple of weeks, he has one final message for the next administration: [1]Don't give up on the agency's Artemis Program to return humans to the Moon . In an interview with Ars Technica's Eric Berger, Nelson discussed his time in office, the major decisions he made, and his concerns for the space agency's future under the Trump administration. Here's an excerpt from the interview:

> Ars: I wanted to start with the [2]state of Artemis . You all had an event a few weeks ago where you talked about Artemis II and Artemis III delays. And you know, both those missions have slipped a couple of years now since you've been administrator. So I'm just wondering, do you know how confident we should be in the current timeline?

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> Bill Nelson: Well, I am very confident because this most recent [delay] was occasioned by virtue of the heat shield, and it has been unanimous after all of the testing that they understand what happened to Orion's heat shield. The chunks came off in an irregular pattern from the Artemis I heat shield. With the change in the re-entry profile, they are unanimous in their recommendation that we can go with the Artemis II heat shield as it is. And I must say that of the major decisions that I've made, that was an easy one for me because it was unanimous. When I say it was unanimous, it was unanimous in the IRT, the independent review team, headed by Paul Hill. It wasn't to begin with, but after all the extensive testing, everybody was on board. It was unanimous in the deputy's committee. It was unanimous in the agency committee, and that brought it to me then in the Executive Council, and it was unanimous there. So I'm very confident that you're going to see Artemis II fly on or around April of 2026, and then if the SpaceX lander is ready, and that, of course, is a big if -- but they have met all of their milestones, and we'll see what happens on this next test... If they are ready, I think it is very probable that we will see the lunar landing in the summer of 2027.

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> Ars: Do you think it's appropriate for the next administration to review the Artemis Program?

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> Bill Nelson: Are you implying that Artemis should be canceled?

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> Ars: No. I don't think Artemis will be canceled in the main. But I do think they're going to take a look at the way the missions are done at the architecture. I know NASA just went through that process with Orion's heat shield.

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> Bill Nelson: Well, I think questioning what you're doing clearly is always an issue that ought to be on the table. But do I think that they are going to cancel, as some of the chatter out there suggests, and replace SLS with Starship? The answer is no.

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> Ars: Why?

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> Bill Nelson: Put yourself in the place of President Trump. Do you think President Trump would like to have a conversation with American astronauts on the surface of the Moon during his tenure?

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> Ars: Of course.

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> Bill Nelson: OK, let me ask you another question. Do you think that President Trump would rather have a conversation with American astronauts during his tenure rather than listening to the comments of Chinese astronauts on the Moon during his tenure? My case is closed, your Honor, I submit it to the jury.

Further reading: [3]Elon Musk: 'We're Going Straight to Mars. The Moon is a Distraction.'



[1] https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/01/outgoing-nasa-administrator-urges-incoming-leaders-to-stick-with-artemis-plan/

[2] https://science.slashdot.org/story/24/10/18/2354259/nasas-100-billion-moon-mission-is-going-nowhere

[3] https://science.slashdot.org/story/25/01/04/201255/elon-musk-were-going-straight-to-mars-the-moon-is-a-distraction



But if the spacex lander is starship (Score:3)

by Ken_g6 ( 775014 )

Then why shouldn't they cut out all the other parts?

New America SpaceX Agency - Elon's payoff (Score:1)

by Lavandera ( 7308312 )

Hundreds of millions of dollars were invested in the election...

Now it must pay off - all NASA money should go to SpaceX...

W rename NASA to New America SpaceX Agency

Support the option with the best chance of success (Score:2)

by jonwil ( 467024 )

Yes multiple options for manned spaceflight should be supported. But the lions share of the funding and support should go to whichever project will (without compromising safety etc) put man on the moon the fastest. If that's SpaceX, support SpaceX. If that's Artemus, support Artemus. If that's some other company, support that.

NO (Score:2)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Get rid of Artemis for fucks sake, and redirect those workers (not their management) to help out elsewhere like Blue Origin, Stoke Space, or SpaceX etc. There's lots of demand for aerospace workers, we don't need them wasting their life on Artemis.

$4 billion per launch (Score:1)

by greytree ( 7124971 )

I rest my case.

Re: $4 billion per launch (Score:2)

by flyingfsck ( 986395 )

Sure, but none if that 4 billion went to Ukraine or the big guy.

Fueled By Arrogance. (Score:2, Interesting)

by geekmux ( 1040042 )

> Do you think that President Trump would rather have a conversation with American astronauts during his tenure rather than listening to the comments of Chinese astronauts on the Moon during his tenure? My case is closed..

Bill Nelson struck me as an intelligent human capable of logical thought. Right up until he hung the entire fucking justification for going to our moon on this Communist-goading bigger-dick measuring bullshit.

Between that lame-ass response and NASAs obscene cost when compared to damn near any third party (the new administration is just slightly excited about cutting Government bloat), he might have just killed the program inadvertently.

It's called politics (Score:2)

by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 )

This appeal to the Orange One's vanity is probably the best argument there is for getting Trump to agree to Artemis continuing. Add in the pork value to the congressional districts where it is being built, and that will be why it does or does not persist.

Sad but true.

Good argument, weak basis (Score:2)

by excelsior_gr ( 969383 )

His final argument, before he "submitted it to the jury", implied that Artemis will put people on the moon within the next 4 years. According to the current plan, the first crewed Artemis mission is planned for mid-2027, 1.5 years before the end of Trump's term. Given the delays of the Artemis program, that's a pretty thin time-margin that could easily be missed, even with a rather successful space program. From the perspective of Nelson's own argument, Trump is probably better off claiming that he aims for

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