Nearly All New Cars Sold in Norway Were Electric in 2024 (msn.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/25/01/02/1422259/nearly-all-new-cars-sold-in-norway-were-electric-in-2024
- Source link: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/in-norway-nearly-all-new-cars-sold-in-2024-were-fully-electric/ar-AA1wQmt4
[1] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/in-norway-nearly-all-new-cars-sold-in-2024-were-fully-electric/ar-AA1wQmt4
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I have it on good authority that atmospheric science works all over the world, not just in Norway and Cuba.
Not suprising for rich country with EV incentives (Score:3)
Not only it is a relatively rich country but also there were a lot of EV incentives. Many of them are likely still active there now:
progresive tax on cars based on weight and emissions
no VAT for EVs
at least 50% exception on road taxes and tolls for EVs
lower parking fees and access to bus lines for EVs
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Not just incentives but actual joined up thinking - sufficient charging infrastructure, public transport, foot & cycle paths and so forth. If Norway can make it happen years before anyone else then it's viable in other countries.
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lower parking fees and access to bus lines for EVs
How would a bus conductor know you came with an EV to the bus station?
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Also massive amounts of oil money to spend on EV infrastructure. Oh the irony.
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I think they got around the Hydro-Quebec problem by Quebec not being in Norway. But the rest of those points track.
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Should have made this as one post but looking at power source used in Norway, they use a fair amount of fossil fuels. Considering from the grid to the EV is ~75% efficient, and natural gas combined cycle plants being as much as 60% efficient, the total efficiency from fossil fuel will be a range of 45% down to 23% (using a 30% efficient plant). Burning a fossil fuel at a big plant, is that any better than in the vehicle? Depends upon the upstream source it appears.
Re:Zero emissions? (Score:4, Informative)
ICE engines are pretty close to 20% efficiency. They also have LOTS of coal and natural gas and even still they use hydro for almost all of their electricity. They are in a unique situation where it makes more sense to just export most of the oil as crude and not worry about using it domestically. They only have two major refineries as it is.
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That isn't true any more, modern cars are getting 35%-40% thermal efficiency.
[1]https://global.toyota/en/mobil... [global.toyota]
[1] https://global.toyota/en/mobility/tnga/powertrain2018/engine/
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Even then, that's only a maximum. At a sustained speed at one specific speed. Different speeds, accelerating/decelerating all lower that overall.
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Take a look at [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] there appears to be only 1 working natural gas fired power station in Norway. I think your comment about Norway using a "fair amount of fossil fuels" for electricity generation is misinformed.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Norway#Other_types
Re:Zero emissions? (Score:5, Informative)
That first linked article is incoherent and terribly cited. As a general point it is widely acknowledged that EVs generate more emissions during manufacture but emit radically less during operation than conventional ICE cars. This depends on how electricity is generated for your area, but the more renewables, the less the emissions. There are online tools such as [1]this [fueleconomy.gov] and [2]this [electricve...cil.com.au] where you can find where this cross over is, depending on the local power generation blend, but typically if you drive 20,000 miles then EVs reduce emissions vs ICE and over 100,000 miles it is something like 1/5th the emissions in total.
As for hydro generation or other renewables I'm sure you could point to bad things that happen to every form of energy generation. That is an incredibly lame form of argumentation without considering the comparative harm of one form to another and choosing to reduce it wherever possible.
[1] https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2
[2] https://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/lifecycle-emissions-calculator/
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As a general point it is widely acknowledged that EVs generate more emissions during manufacture
No it is not.
And common sense tells you: it is opposite around.
What in an EV would cause lots of CO2 emissions, during production? Nothing of course.
Re: Zero emissions? (Score:2)
They don't mine for lithium using electricity.
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"Zero-emission vehicle" means "no carbon dioxide is emitted from the vehicle as a function of its propulsion". That's all. It has nothing to do with the cradle-to-grave ecological sustainability. It has nothing to do with the ecological sustainability of acquiring its fuel.
That's all.
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You could google your questions.
Otherwise: just facepalm about your stupidity.
For a start: Norway is not Canada. Not even same continent!
How did Norway get away with this? (Score:2)
It is almost 'nationalizing oil' , a deadly sin, which invites sanctions and engineered coups to the Government. Look at Venezuela and Iran 1953:
> He [Mohammad Mosaddegh] was a member of the Iranian parliament from 1923, and served through a contentious 1952 election into the 17th Iranian Majlis,[6] until his government was overthrown in the 1953 Iran coup aided by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom (MI6) and the United States (CIA), led by Kermit Roosevelt Jr.[7][8] His National Front was suppre
Re:regret coming soon (Score:4, Insightful)
What sort of conspiracy bullshit is this? Fuck off.
Re:regret coming soon (Score:5, Insightful)
You should be asking your doctor which medication is right for you