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How AI is Unlocking Ancient Texts (nature.com)

(Wednesday January 01, 2025 @10:30PM (msmash) from the rewriting-history dept.)


AI is [1]unlocking ancient texts previously thought unreadable, potentially revolutionizing historical research, according to a Nature article. Neural networks have successfully decoded burned Roman scrolls from Herculaneum, deciphered ancient Chinese oracle bones, and translated vast Korean royal archives.

In a breakthrough achievement, researchers used AI to reveal 16 columns of Greek philosophical text from a charred Herculaneum scroll that had been unreadable for 2,000 years. The technology could help scholars access hundreds more unopened scrolls from Herculaneum and other historical collections worldwide.



[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-04161-z



Why do they trust the results? (Score:4, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward

The one thing everyone knows about current neural net technology is the tendency to "hallucinate".

If people couldn't read what was there, why do they think the AI got it right?

Re: (Score:3)

by xevioso ( 598654 )

That's not how that how that works. The experts sees what the AI produces, and says, "Huh, I never thought of that; lemme check that against what we do know to see if it is consistent, or more importantly, if we could have arrived at the same result if we only had the information AI provided."

It's not like these folks accept what AI produces and then doesn't double check the result or submit it for peer review.

Re: Why do they trust the results? (Score:2)

by ZERO1ZERO ( 948669 )

Dont confuse verification with calculation. Its entirely possible to verify something without knowing how to achieve the answer. Take the most trivial example of 72-16 =56 you can verify the answer by adding 56 to 16 and if you get 72 then its probly right. You donâ(TM)t need to know got to subtract to verify a subtraction arithmetic.

Re: (Score:2)

by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 )

> if they can verify it, then we didn't really need AI to read it at all, did we?

Verification is not the same as creation.

You can verify the factors of a 200-digit composite number in a microsecond, but finding those factors may take longer than the lifetime of the Universe.

Verifying a decoded message is easy because the resulting plaintext is grammatically and semantically valid. But finding the key is far harder.

Reading a charred paper is very similar to cryptanalysis.

Re: (Score:2)

by dfghjk ( 711126 )

No, that's not the reason. Because no such verification is done.

Re: (Score:2)

by bagofbeans ( 567926 )

Ai is a statistical model. As such, it comes up with a very good guess as to the meaning by interpolating between the not-understood parts. However, the "guess as to the meaning" involves cultural understanding, which involves analysis risk, and the results will end up being reported as being accurate as opposed to being a guess (good or not).

For example, if someone in UK says "There's Ian on the dog for you", a Brit will know that the word "dog" means "phone" (Dog and bone: phone). Without that cultural un

Re: (Score:2)

by newcastlejon ( 1483695 )

> if someone in UK says "There's Ian on the dog for you", a Brit will know that the word "dog" means "phone"

Speak for yourself mate.

Re: (Score:2)

by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve ( 949321 )

> For example, if someone in UK says "There's Ian on the dog for you", a Brit will know that the word "dog" means "phone" (Dog and bone: phone). Without that cultural understanding, the phrase is likely to be misunderstood.

God save us all from Cockney Rhyming Slang. That crap means whatever the hell the speaker thinks it means and whatever he teaches other people it means. Here's an example.

What the hell do you think I mean by saying this? I'm not British either, but I can make crap up.

Orange is sinister.

It means: Starmer is the prime minister.

So HTF does it mean that? Farmers grow oranges. Farmer rhymes with Starmer. The John Lennon song "Give Peace A Chance" mentions "....minsters and siniste

Re: (Score:2)

by onepoint ( 301486 )

the verification of this type of tool is easy because of some known science that has been discover.

history has shown us, that once we discover something, we get a good laugh about it and say "duh, I should have thought of that sooner"

I explain in another answer above this one, how they most likely get the correct image of the inside of the scroll.

Re: (Score:2)

by FudRucker ( 866063 )

Thats what im thinking, confirmation bias will whitewash this into enhancing the established religious delusions

Re: (Score:2)

by dfghjk ( 711126 )

It's not a tendency, it always hallucinates. It's just called a hallucination when you don't like the results.

The entire term is an excuse, the fact is that AI works the way it works and its "designers" use creative language to suggest that there is merely an occasional problem that will get resolved. No, AI makes shit up always, and sometimes it's particularly bad.

Re: (Score:2)

by onepoint ( 301486 )

This is the proper question to ask because it's the fundamental way of the scientific method.

So let's start with some basics on your question, and develop some trust in the answer using the burned scrolls, I have no interest in the outcome, I just study a lot so I can ask better questions.

1) so via radiography we can estimate and or determine the x line of the scroll with y being the depth, and different atomic or chemical signatures

2) via tangent space of a Riemannian manifold ( I think I said that right,

Check with Translated Texts (Score:3)

by Roger W Moore ( 538166 )

They probably do the same thing that we do in particle physics with machine learning algorithms: measure the performance using some examples that you already know the answer for but which was not part of the training sample. In physics this is typically simulated data where you know what the true physics happening was but for this I'd just hold back some scrolls where humans have already translated them and then feed them into the algorithm and see whether the output matches the human translation.

You do

Re: (Score:2)

by quenda ( 644621 )

Why? A question both obvious and loaded.

Why is parent assuming they "trust the results"? Even though he has heard of AI hallucination, he seems to stupidly assume the experts have not.

Classic case of Dunning Kruger.

Re: (Score:2)

by Hoi Polloi ( 522990 )

In the case of the burned scrolls it is being used to make the text legible from xrays. The output is going to quickly be determined if it makes sense or not because we can read ancient greek and latin.

They test on artificially created 'lost' texts (Score:2)

by bjamesv ( 1528503 )

Per TFA:

> In tests, Ithaca restored artificially produced gaps in ancient texts with 62% accuracy, compared with 25% for human experts. But experts aided by Ithaca’s suggestions had the best results of all, filling gaps with an accuracy of 72%. Ithaca also identified the geographical origins of inscriptions with 71% accuracy, and dated them to within 30 years of accepted estimates.

So for 2000 years, people could only guess well as to what about 25% of these missing portions would have meant. With modern statistic ("AI") they can produce good guesses 47% better (for total of accurate 71% of the time) or.. just run the system with no human guidance at all and accept a "miss rate" that is 9% worse than when expert supervision is there.

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by Berkyjay ( 1225604 )

Because you seem to have a misunderstanding about AI and the various ways it's used. They're not taking this stuff and plugging it into Chat GPT. They have researcher developers who build custom neural network software to analyze their data. The reason the pop LLMs hallucinate is because they're fed massive amounts of random language or visual data and tasked with generating a response that matches the highest probability of a match. So if that highest probability is 60%, well that's the response you wi

Religion will have a field day with this (Score:2)

by FudRucker ( 866063 )

Making up more bullshit to deceive people about their gods/myths

AI vs. Voynich Manuscript? (Score:2)

by sk999 ( 846068 )

So far, a whole lotta nuttin'.

AI = magic stones in a hat (Score:2)

by Smonster ( 2884001 )

Okay, but how can we trust the Algorithm is actually translating/deciphering the source material correctly?

Re: (Score:2)

by dfghjk ( 711126 )

We don't, and that's never mattered before. Translations are always subjective, and correct is defined by whoever wins an argument.

Re:AI = magic stones in a hat (Score:4, Insightful)

by quonset ( 4839537 )

If you have a problem with AI doing this, don't look into human scholars translating ancient texts. Two of the three major religions can't even come up with an agreement on if Mary was a virgin because of the words used, and one of those religions contradicts itself on who said what about Mary.

[1]Jewish version [jewishvoice.org].

[2]Christian version [christianity.com] saying Luke was the one to indicate Mary was a virgin.

[3]Christian version number 2 [theconversation.com] saying Matthew was the only one to say Mary was pregnant before she had sex with Joseph.

And then there's the whole homosexual issue which didn't arise until 1946 when someone [4]decided to change the original meaning [imgur.com] of what was (supposedly) written.

[1] https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/article/was-mary-virgin

[2] https://www.christianity.com/wiki/holidays/why-was-marys-virginity-so-important.html

[3] https://theconversation.com/5-things-to-know-about-mary-the-mother-of-jesus-172483

[4] https://i.imgur.com/2OItGlA.jpeg

Re: (Score:2)

by JoshuaZ ( 1134087 )

Mostly a valid point. Ironically though the claim about the verse in Leviticus is wrong if one looks at the Hebrew text of that verse.

Re: (Score:2)

by test321 ( 8891681 )

I would say the Bible can only go wrong, because any translation is still produced with the intent of being used in religious observance, and will therefore be influenced by the views of the organization promoting the translation. It will be hard for anyone doing the job to extract themselves from their own religious background. Here it's the scroll telling the adventures of Bigus Dickus in Herculanum and that won't bring as much bias.

Re:AI = magic stones in a hat (Score:4, Interesting)

by quenda ( 644621 )

Before answering, I confess I cheated and actually read TFA.

"In tests with artificially produced gaps, the model’s top ten predictions included the correct answer 72% of the time, and in real-world cases it often matched the suggestions of human specialists. To improve the results further, Papavassileiou hopes to add in visual data, such as traces of incomplete letters, rather than just relying on the transliterated text. She is also investigating ‘transfer learning’, in which the model applies lessons learnt from one series of tablets to another."

So the real answer is simply they do not trust the results , not yet. But progress is being made, and the the AI is better than human guesses already.

Re: (Score:2)

by test321 ( 8891681 )

If scanned images / 3d reconstructions are available, scientists in different countries and in the coming decades can run different algorithms and compare the results, until we converge to a consensus on which letters are indeed present on the manuscript, and which were extrapolated carelessly by the algorithm and should be excluded.

The point of the subject... (Score:3)

by ndsurvivor ( 891239 )

The thrust, or the point... I have listened to more than a few podcasts about this. The thing that the article left out is about how new scanning technology can distinguish writing at mm scale, and distinguish inks from non-inks. But, however, we feed these scrolls into scanning equipment, and get thousands of scans that look literally like "ink blots", and how do we with our puny human minds "unravel them" and make sense of them? AI is doing that, but I think the article is under-reporting how important new scanning technology is as well.

Re: (Score:2)

by ndsurvivor ( 891239 )

[1]https://www.npr.org/2024/02/12... [npr.org] A scroll covered by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius has been read for the first time — with the help of artificial intelligence. This is a really interesting podcast!! I think!

[1] https://www.npr.org/2024/02/12/1230835930/ai-deciphers-part-of-an-ancient-scroll-2-000-years-after-mount-vesuvius-erupted

Re: (Score:1)

by wakawakka ( 1424101 )

You will also appreciate the story of Sigurant, the story is in french here: [1]https://www.radiofrance.fr/fra... [radiofrance.fr] and in the following documentary here [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] around 1 hour 14 in, you can see the charred bit of parchment that looks like absolutely nothing, and the same new scanning techs you mentioned going right through, allowing the researcher reconstitute that lost tale (which tells a story of a lost knight and the fire of a dragon by the way, in a fun twist).

[1] https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceculture/podcasts/le-cours-de-l-histoire/segurant-le-chevalier-au-dragon-nouveau-venu-a-la-table-ronde-9174296

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4467&v=xkbLE9MFSHA&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fsca_esv%3D991aa798551d7ede%26sxsrf%3DADLYWIJocCM3UF6SZpqzLVNrHansIWJrsA%3A1735786170685%26q%3Dsegurant%2Ble%2Bchev&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY

Be sure (Score:2)

by zawarski ( 1381571 )

To drink your Ovaltine.

He hath eaten me out of house and home.
-- William Shakespeare, "Henry IV"