Missiles Are Now the Biggest Killer of Airline Passengers (wsj.com)
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- News link: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/12/27/2249249/missiles-are-now-the-biggest-killer-of-airline-passengers
- Source link: https://www.wsj.com/world/flight-deaths-shot-from-sky-rising-798fd31e
> The [3]crash Wednesday of an Azerbaijan Airlines jetliner in Kazakhstan, if officially confirmed as a midair attack, would be the third major fatal downing of a passenger jet linked to armed conflict since 2014, according to the Flight Safety Foundation's Aviation Safety Network, a global database of accidents and incidents. The tally would bring to more than 500 the number of deaths from such attacks during that period. Preliminary results of Azerbaijan's investigation into the crash indicate the plane was hit by a Russian antiaircraft missile, or shrapnel from it, said people briefed on the probe.
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> "It adds to the worrying catalog of shootdowns now," said Andy Blackwell, an aviation risk adviser at security specialist ISARR and former head of security at Virgin Atlantic. "You've got the conventional threats, from terrorists and terrorist groups, but now you've got this accidental risk as well." No other cause of aviation fatalities on commercial airliners comes close to shootdowns over those years, according to ASN data. The deadliness of such attacks is a dramatic shift: In the preceding 10 years, there were no fatal shootdowns of scheduled commercial passenger flights, ASN data show. The trend highlights the difficulty -- if not impossibility -- of protecting civilian aviation in war zones, even for rigorous aviation regulators, because of the politics of war. Early last century similar woes plagued sea travel, when belligerents targeted ocean transport.
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> Increasing civilian aviation deaths from war also reflect both a growing number of armed conflicts internationally and the increasing prevalence of powerful antiaircraft weaponry. If a missile was indeed the cause of this week's disaster, it would mean that the three deadliest shootdowns of the past decade all involved apparently unintended targetings of passenger planes flying near conflict zones, by forces that had been primed to hit enemy military aircraft. Two of those incidents were linked to Russia: Wednesday's crash of an Embraer E190 with 67 people aboard, of whom 38 died, and the midair destruction in 2014 of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 flying over a battle zone in Ukraine, on which all 298 people aboard died. The other major downing was the mistaken shooting in 2020 by Iranian forces of a Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737 departing Tehran, killing all 176 people onboard. Iran's missile defense systems had been on alert for a potential U.S. strike at the time.
[1] https://www.wsj.com/world/flight-deaths-shot-from-sky-rising-798fd31e
[2] https://archive.is/Gp05K
[3] https://archive.is/T0atg
Re:*Russian* missiles (Score:4, Informative)
A quick browse of wikipedia and some napkin math tells me that, this century so far, a total of 234 passengers died in non-russian missile attacks on passenger planes (if you count the 34 people who died in the Balad aircraft crash, the cause of which seems unclear) and 339 in russian missile attacks. So yeah, its pretty much Russia being Russia. I'm sure there are more passenger plane shootdowns to come.
Russia killed 269 people in a passenger airplane over the pacific ocean in 1983 and they tried pretty hard to cover it up.
The US killed 290 people in a passenger airplane in 1988 btw.
This doesn't count the 10 people who died last year in the 2023 Wagner Group plane crash the cause of which is unknown.
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
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> Wagner Group plane crash the cause of which is unknown.
Whether they fall out of windows, accidentally sink their flagships, or the wing falls off of one of their planes...It's gotta be something in the vodka IMO.
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I'm pretty sure it is the vodka in the vodka that is the issue.
TU-22 used vodka for air con (Score:2)
From [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Air for the crew was provided by a bleed air system on the engine compressors. This air was hot and had to be cooled before being pumped into the cockpit. This cooling was provided by a large total-loss evaporator running on a mixture of 40% ethanol and 60% distilled water (effectively vodka). This system garnered the aircraft one of its many nicknames, the "supersonic booze carrier".[11] As the system vented the coolant after use, the aircraft could run out during flig
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22
Re: *Russian* missiles (Score:2)
All those deaths you listed are directly or indirectly due to Russia.
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> the 10 people who died last year in the 2023 Wagner Group plane crash the cause of which is unknown
Cause: Putin's thugs couldn't find a window high enough.
no people are (Score:2)
people built the missiles, people built the targeting systems, and people push the fire button.
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> people built the missiles, people built the targeting systems, and people push the fire button.
Interesting. A logical argument but still we see so many politicians blaming firearms for violence in America, they are not making the connection made in the parent post. The problem is not the tool, it is the person wielding the tool.
The reason missiles are most often used for taking down aircraft is artillery has proved ineffective against modern aircraft that fly higher and faster than was possible in WW1 and early WW2 where weapons like the German 88mm flak cannon was feared. Analogous to that is the
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"People" also sent military drone swarm into civilian airspace. The biggest killer of airline passengers are not missiles but wars.
Boeing execs breathe a sigh of relief (Score:5, Funny)
"Pfffew, it's not us anymore!"
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> "Pfffew, it's not us anymore!"
That's gonna last right up until they have themselves another brainstorm and come up with a new genius business model involving extensive reliance on the lowest bidding contractor without paying that contractor's competence and QA any heed.
Russian antiaircraft missile, or shrapnel from it (Score:5, Informative)
Well yeah, that's typically how they work -- they're not designed to directly impact. Anyways, just stay away from Russia and any of her allies (i.e. Iran) and you'll probably be fine. The US gave the civilian world access to GPS specifically because Russia shot down a Korean airliner in 1983.
Re: Russian antiaircraft missile, or shrapnel from (Score:3)
Russia is the biggest killer of people due to military action on the planet - 1000 to 2000 deaths Per Day, Every Day, for Years. Putin is trying to outdo Stalin.
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> Well yeah, that's typically how they work -- they're not designed to directly impact.
Some missiles are made to destroy a target with shrapnel, some by direct impact.
Control of missiles a got to be so precise that there's been missile strikes against individuals in moving cars. Granted this is with slow moving cars but still there's been successful strikes on a singular person in a car that left the others in the vehicle alive. They were injured, and certainly had psychological damage, but alive and likely to recover fully from all physical injuries.
The USA has missiles that can give a let
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> Some missiles are made to destroy a target with shrapnel, some by direct impact.
In particular look up continuous-rod warheads, which are designed to cut their targets in half.