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Microsoft Joins $2 Billion Deal With GM To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars (axios.com)

(Tuesday January 19, 2021 @11:54AM (msmash) from the shape-of-things-to-come dept.)


Microsoft is joining GM, Honda and others in a $2 billion investment round in Cruise to [1]help commercialize its self-driving cars . The deal bumps Cruise's valuation to $30 billion, from $19 billion last year. From a report:

> The investment is part of a broader commitment by GM and Cruise to use Microsoft's Azure cloud-computing platform across their companies, especially as they roll out increasingly complex vehicles that rely on digital technologies. Self-driving vehicles devour massive amounts of data to operate safely. They collect and process data from cameras, radar and lidar sensors for perception, location mapping and decision-making. Commercialization requires even more data to optimize routes and to create consumer-facing apps and websites. "Microsoft, as the gold standard in the trustworthy democratization of technology, will be a force multiplier for us as we commercialize our fleet of self-driving, all-electric, shared vehicles," said Cruise CEO Dan Ammann.



[1] https://www.axios.com/microsoft-gm-cruise-25d0e090-73af-4d2d-8c47-7a22f23b5564.html

Are you fucking kidding me? (Score:5, Insightful)

by backslashdot ( 95548 )

Anyone remember this? At a computer expo, Bill Gates compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated, "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating: If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue.

For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Apple would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads.

6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off."

Source: [1]https://www.hcs.harvard.edu/pn... [harvard.edu]

[1] https://www.hcs.harvard.edu/pnw/microsoftjoke.htm

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by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

More relevantly, [1]DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND MICROSOFT CORPORATION REACH EFFECTIVE SETTLEMENT ON ANTITRUST LAWSUIT [justice.gov]

Settlement Provides Enforcement Measures to Stop Microsoft's Unlawful Conduct, Prevent Its Recurrence, and Restore Competition

Calling Microsoft the "gold standard in the trustworthy democratization of technology" is like calling Hitler the "gold standard in kind treatment of Jews".

[1] https://www.justice.gov/archive/atr/public/press_releases/2001/9463.htm

BSOD (Score:2)

by invictusvoyd ( 3546069 )

BSOD is going to get literal !! .. i'd rather .. 2 horse carriage than that car

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by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

Wow, Microsoft is still the same old corporation that has shit all over computing, and is still doing so.

Spyware in windows 10 proves nothing has changed at Microsoft, except the success of their PR department.

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by invictusvoyd ( 3546069 )

5.10.8 is not out of date ..

it even rhymes

www.kernel.org

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by gweihir ( 88907 )

> More relevantly, [1]DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND MICROSOFT CORPORATION REACH EFFECTIVE SETTLEMENT ON ANTITRUST LAWSUIT [justice.gov]

> Settlement Provides Enforcement Measures to Stop Microsoft's Unlawful Conduct, Prevent Its Recurrence, and Restore Competition

> Calling Microsoft the "gold standard in the trustworthy democratization of technology" is like calling Hitler the "gold standard in kind treatment of Jews".

Well, to be fair Hitler gave a lot of attention to the Jews, MS never gave any attention to anything but their bottom line. Yes, that was not the attention anybody would want, but in my book, deliberately evil is better than carelessly evil. With the first case, it is at least amply clear to everybody that this is an enemy to fight. With the second case far too many people do not understand what is going on.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/archive/atr/public/press_releases/2001/9463.htm

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by Aelyew ( 14580 )

I took this statement to be the pronouncement that the gold standard is dead. Long live Bitcoin. I, for one, welcome our new Crypto overlords.

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by gweihir ( 88907 )

Well, gold has at least something like 50% of its price in industrial value. It cannot drop below that. BTC is worth absolutely nothing once the fantasy collapses. People have a history to stick to deranged fantasies though, sometimes for thousands of years.

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by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 )

> 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off."

This actually is the case now...

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by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

And much like having to click start to shut down but the reverse, you have to hold the brake (stop) pedal before the start button will start the car, even though there is an electric parking brake and a park pawl (in the case of automatic transmissions, which dominate all markets) also stopping the car from moving, and there is no direct link between the accelerator pedal and the throttle flap and/or fuel delivery (including diesels that don't have throttles, which used to be all of them — now some of

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by Too Late for Cool ID ( 1794870 )

My favorite comparison: Apple is the cool architect who designs a beautiful house for you, but convinces you that you don't need closets or a pantry. Microsoft is the enthusiastic contractor with lots of great ideas who never finishes anything.

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by gweihir ( 88907 )

Yep. Apple robs you and expects you to join the cult, but at least they deliver something solid in return. MS is less invasive but takes your money for delivering utter crap at all fronts.

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by Joce640k ( 829181 )

> My favorite comparison: Apple is the cool architect who designs a beautiful house for you, but convinces you that you don't need closets or a pantry.

And the bathroom will have one of those huge "designer" sinks with no shelf around it to put little bottles on and even though the bowl is two feet across the faucet/tap will be 1cm from the edge, because having it in the middle of the bowl looks ugly.

(You know the ones I mean...)

The excuse will be "You're washing them wrong".

That was, what, a quarter century ago? (Score:2)

by wiredog ( 43288 )

Also, 6 and 10 are true today. 2 might require an over the air upgrade if you're using SuperCruise. 8 sometimes happens if the battery in the key fob is weak.

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by sbaker ( 47485 )

5 is already true for Cruise - it can only self-drive on US freeways & tollways.

9 is edging towards truth with Tesla where "One pedal driving" takes some getting used to - and "Cruise Control" is entirely different. Even worse, you sometimes need to re-learn after a software update!

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by jbengt ( 874751 )

Well, number 10 turned out to be true.

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by willkane ( 6824186 )

Looks like this is as false as the famous "640K is Enough For Anyone"

Nevertheless, is funny.

Source: "https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/car-balk/"

Oh dear (Score:4, Funny)

by dromgodis ( 4533247 )

> Microsoft, as the gold standard in the trustworthy democratization of technology,

Yeah, that...

What chips man?! (Score:1)

by DigiShaman ( 671371 )

There's already a shortage of computer chips halting new car production, and rumor has it the new Biden administration wants to push for a new Cash for Clunkers part 2. Kiss your used car inventory goodbye in direct competition with new car inventories being depleted. $$,$$$ cha-ching!!

After how bad Microsoft fucked up stereos in Fords (Score:2)

by pecosdave ( 536896 )

now they're going to be DRIVING GM cars.

Seriously, they fucked up Ford stereos so bad Ford abandoned them for Blackberry's OS.

I really, really wish I had the Blackberry instead of Microsoft stereo in my van.

Someone once asked me if it was like having an iPod in my van. I replied "think early prototype rejected Zune." I have to unplug the battery in my van occasionally to reset the fucking stereo when it crashes - and I can't seem to find a fuse or relay to do it with to prevent me from having to yank the

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by Junta ( 36770 )

Not to mention the horrible UI, where the screen is so full of options that I can't even possibly use that I have to scroll to get to bluetooth, with no way to filter or even rearrange the options. Tried at least having music on an sd card, and it works sometimes, but other times it refuses to play anything while it has to re-index the disk randomly (despite the sd card not changing at all).

Microsoft notoriously half-assed things like Windows Phone, and any hapless 'embedded' vendor that made the mistake of

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by pecosdave ( 536896 )

I have a flash drive in my van FULL of music. All I can figure out how to do is hit "next". No folder browsing, no tag sorting, no sorting by album/folder, not just "next" alphabetically.

What is your destination?

(scroll through each and every street address in the U.S. one "next" at a time)

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by KimDotOrg ( 7630658 )

From the description it doesn't sound like they will be involved in the embedded car software, but in providing support through its cloud computing platform.

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by douglasfir77 ( 6439950 )

Here on the "new" slashdot, the novel-nerds don't let facts get in the way of hot takes.

Now it's literal: (Score:4, Funny)

by hey! ( 33014 )

Blue Screen of Death .

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by Ostracus ( 1354233 )

BSBD (Blue Screen BEFORE Death).

Electrify first maybe ? (Score:1)

by ti-coune ( 837201 )

I guess both can run in parallel but if you have such amount to spend, shouldn't we spend it first on reducing the GHG emissions of vehicles rather than getting rid of the driver ? Seems the first point is more urgent.

better then apples reapir costs (Score:2)

by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 )

if you don't buy apple care car then with our repair costs it's just not that much more to just buy an new car.

Democratization of technology the open source way. (Score:2)

by Ostracus ( 1354233 )

> "Microsoft, as the gold standard in the trustworthy democratization of technology, will be a force multiplier for us as we commercialize our fleet of self-driving, all-electric, shared vehicles," said Cruise CEO Dan Ammann.

So when will we be getting our open-source self-driving cars?

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by KimDotOrg ( 7630658 )

Open source software is already being worked on: [1]https://comma.ai/ [comma.ai]

[1] https://comma.ai/

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by ChunderDownunder ( 709234 )

My Linux desktop will never piss billions of dollars down the drain on a self driving car that no user of that Linux desktop ever asked for.

Google, Apple and Microsoft will. And keep their source closed to the extent that it benefits them.

The "blue screen of death" just got more real (Score:4, Insightful)

by gweihir ( 88907 )

MS has a long-term history of shoddy, 2nd rate engineering, ignoring established solutions that work and of boundless arrogance coupled with astonishing incompetence. They cannot even reliably update the OS they completely designed themselves, for crying out loud. These people have no place in anything that requires security or safety.

It's a pretty short timeline (Score:2)

by bobstreo ( 1320787 )

between when "self driving cars" first become available, and most people realize they don't need to buy a car, they can just order one to come and pick them up.

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by Forty Two Tenfold ( 1134125 )

Dude, wait, wha?

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by timeOday ( 582209 )

What does that really change though? If the car industry transitions more to fleet sales, GM would certainly want in on that trend.

Anyways I wouldn't say "most" people in the US, for many many years.

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by KimDotOrg ( 7630658 )

No, there will be a long timeline, because the first "self driving" cars will be level 3, and for a robotaxi you need a very solid level 5. Level 3 means that the car can notify the human driver that it needs to take over, whereas level 5 is full autonomy in unrestricted area. Level 5 is much, much harder because it needs to deal with all kinds of crazy corner cases. For level 3, the car only has to be able to recognize that it can't handle it.

Where do you want to go today? (Score:2)

by tonique ( 1176513 )

Where do you want to go today? Not that you'd get there.

Oh no. (Score:2)

by Forty Two Tenfold ( 1134125 )

Oh no. Oh no. Oh no no no no no.

— Capone.

How about on-topic comments? (Score:4)

by couchslug ( 175151 )

The first wave of comments were just bashing and automotive-illiterate rants. Dicedot has been in decline for quite a while but posters should at least consider sticking to subjects they know about instead of stupidly hallucinating MSFT will somehow impose Windows as control software on GM, who have built highly successful vehicles for over a century in their various incarnations.

When BEVs truly arrive they'll be as easy to service or have serviced independently as conventional vehicles because the traditional automotive business model is far superior to the walled garden phone and personal computer model which is all about vendor lock. GM customers, especially fleet users, expect different and more options than rich Tesla customers who rarely turn a wrench. That's a huge advantage for those of us who support Right To Repair because even if GM slow-leaks information there will be more than enough techy enthusiasts to attack any problems. Tech may be magic to morons but not to mechanics. The Tesla model is outstanding for Tesla's current market but there are many more markets than their niche and billions of dollars to be made.

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by marcle ( 1575627 )

You're either an MS or GM employee. Microsoft's long and varied history of screwups, which still continues today (Win10 updates, anyone?), is totally relevant here. I would think long and hard before I purchased a vehicle run by MS software.

I'm a multibrand mechanic (Score:2)

by couchslug ( 175151 )

I've been wrenching on anything that moved (from jet fighters on down) and many things that don't since the late 1970s and shill for no one.

Windows 10 is not relevant to RTOS used for control systems. It may be used for infotainment systems but other OS are already mature and there's no logical business case for running a desktop OS (or one of MSFTs crippled abortion versions) on a modern vehicle. GM will of course get a vote since they will be manufacturing the result.

I hate Windows like every good Slashd

GM Bob (Score:2)

by gtall ( 79522 )

User: (gets into car, attempts to start)

GMBob: Hi there, I see you are trying to start the vehicle, may I be of assistance?

User: Umm, okay, but you are already in control of starting the engine.

GMBob: Really? Wow. Should I start it then?

User: Yessss.

GMBob: Now don't get snippy, I don't like snippy a driver (starts engine).

User: Take me to (gives address).

GMBob: Is that in this country or would you like to choose one from this drop down menu (sheaf of papers drop into User's lap)?

User: Use the GPS.

GMBob: Oh,

ms (Score:1)

by anonieuweling ( 536832 )

Would you want to be in a car with any ms software?

Great (Score:2)

by DarkRookie2 ( 5551422 )

Now not only will new cars have more random stupid features added to justify there already large price tag, they will crash or stop working completely randomly as well.

BSOD (Score:1)

by groobly ( 6155920 )

This will give new meaning to the term "Blue Screen of Death."

When you are young, you enjoy a sustained illusion that sooner or later
something marvelous is going to happen, that you are going to transcend
your parents' limitations... At the same time, you feel sure that in all
the wilderness of possibility; in all the forests of opinion, there is a
vital something that can be known -- known and grasped. That we will
eventually know it, and convert the whole mystery into a coherent
narrative. So that then one's true life -- the point of everything --
will emerge from the mist into a pure light, into total comprehension.
But it isn't like that at all. But if it isn't, where did the idea come
from, to torture and unsettle us?
-- Brian Aldiss, "Helliconia Summer"