Trump Blew Up More Than Just TikTok and WeChat (bloomberg.com)
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- News link: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/08/07/2023218/trump-blew-up-more-than-just-tiktok-and-wechat
- Source link: https://www.bloomberg.com/tosv2.html?vid=&uuid=b7976d10-d8eb-11ea-9ebd-9181c0a6173a&url=L29waW5pb24vYXJ0aWNsZXMvMjAyMC0wOC0wNy90cnVtcC1zLWJhbnMtb24tdGlrdG9rLXdlY2hhdC1jb3VsZC1oaXQtdS1zLXRlY2gtZ2lhbnRzLWluLWNoaW5h
> U.S. President Donald Trump's [1]decision to ban dealings with ByteDance , owner of video-sharing sensation TikTok, appears to codify what his administration has already been warning. A second edict targeting messaging app WeChat and its parent, Tencent, seems weirdly overdue. The executive orders issued by the White House go beyond stopping average Americans from becoming unwitting spies for the Communist Party through their postings and data. The implications [2]could hurt not only the Chinese targets, but the U.S. companies they work with , including Apple and Alphabet's Google.
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> Though TikTok and WeChat have been getting all the recent attention, the orders state that American companies cannot work with ByteDance or Tencent (though an unnamed U.S. official later stated that Tencent transactions were still OK). That clarification notwithstanding, the wording of the orders does imply that regardless of intention such bans could extend further, to include Americans advertising on dozens of products offered by either Chinese company, or to selling them cloud-storage services, or perhaps the most nuclear option: distributing their apps, even within China. [...] Even though Chinese smartphone brands dominate their domestic market, iOS and Android remain the dominant platforms and Apple and Google cover almost the entire global ecosystem with their respective app stores. If they can't do business with ByteDance, for example, even after a [3]TikTok spin off , then the Beijing company might be unable to distribute its own apps, even within China.
[1] https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/08/07/0153244/tiktok-ban-trump-will-prohibit-transactions-with-bytedance-beginning-september-20
[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/tosv2.html?vid=&uuid=b76dec10-d8eb-11ea-9a69-a312121c71c9&url=L29waW5pb24vYXJ0aWNsZXMvMjAyMC0wOC0wNy90cnVtcC1zLWJhbnMtb24tdGlrdG9rLXdlY2hhdC1jb3VsZC1oaXQtdS1zLXRlY2gtZ2lhbnRzLWluLWNoaW5h
[3] https://news.slashdot.org/story/20/08/03/147204/microsoft-confirms-its-in-talks-to-buy-tiktok-from-bytedance-says-trump-is-on-board
so what? (Score:4, Insightful)
Tencent seems to be a major investor in a variety of tech/gaming companies, but those companies are valuable in the eyes of investors so when one group of investors leaves, another will swoop in. Doesn't seem like China has a lot of leverage here.
And anyways, why are people so much more concerned about what a foreign government knows about them, then their own government, whose jurisdiction they fall under. Americans got a clear view of what their government was doing with the AT&T and Snowden leaks, but somehow, it's China they are more worried about? A country that can't affect them?
China can't arrest you on American soil just because you said Xi looks like Winnie the Pooh. Get your fucking priorities straight.
Re: so what? (Score:2)
I think the idea is to start leaning on Chinese tech firms. Someone on RT made a good point that all US tech firm apps are banned including all Western news apps. So this is just another case of China wanting us to do as they say and not as they do.
For those still stuck in the 1950's Red Scare (Score:4, Insightful)
For those who still believe that their data is hidden from the Communists or Socialists or White Supremacists, or just everyday terrorist, here are the facts. All this stuff is for sale. California earns $50 million every year selling thier citizens data to whomever wants it. That is valuable information to the terrorist.
The NRA sells their list of gun nuts to anyone who wants it. That is valuable information for invasion, which neighborhood requires a surgical missile strike to remove the enemy.
If it can't be bought from Google or Facebook or Experian, these communists have more bored hackers than we do, especially the males. Due to one child policy, there are million of young men with nothing to do but hide in their bedroom in their parents house and hack into commercial databases.
For Government or private firm with sensitive information, they should not use any unsecured service, be it Facebook or Google or Zoom or Tok Tok for any thing to do with sensitive information. That is just common sense. For the common person, it is your choice to tell the world you will be on vacation for a month, or your kid is alone waiting for someone to pick them up at the park at 3:30 every Tuesday, or download a random app that tracks you exercise path precisely every day with times where you are most secluded for attack.
But it is not the communists. It is everyone that is collecting data and not securing it or treating it as a profit center instead of secure information. There was an episode of the Rockford Files was back in the 1970's the explored this. A US group was setting up a centralized database of US citizens. They question was what were the risks involved. Too bad we never really has a debate over that question. It just happened.
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And I just scrolled down and noticed that all the DNA sequencing that US citizens voluntarily gave away has been bought by a venture capital firm with offices in Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, Beijing, Won't that make it convenient for the communists to buy the generic profiles. It may be that in the US they are based from access from the data, but what is stop them form shipping drives to Being and selling them to the communists.
Re:For those still stuck in the 1950's Red Scare (Score:4, Interesting)
> For those who still believe that their data is hidden
The suspicions (well-founded suspicions) against TikTok et al is not merely privacy-violations. They are suspected and credibly accused of being tools of the foreign adversaries, used not so much to collect data (except, maybe, to sell it to help finance the operations), but to manipulate public opinion .
Which manipulations they've been doing since 1960-ies too — spending more money on [1]fostering various "peace" movements [medium.com] in the West, than they gave Ho Chi Min.
I'd very much the services like Mail.ru and Yandex to be added to this list. And Telegram — investigated.
> The NRA sells their list of gun nuts to anyone who wants it. That is valuable information for invasion, which neighborhood requires a surgical missile strike to remove the enemy
Whether they sell the information or not, police departments simply having the lists of gun-owners will make the data available to any successful invader. "Red Dawn" (the original), I believe, was warning against just such a possibility.
[1] https://medium.com/@JSlate__/how-the-soviet-union-helped-shape-the-modern-peace-movement-d797071d4b2c
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LOL, you say it as if "manipulating public opinion" isn't what the US is doing. Remember when the US tried to tell us war crimes are good?
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_(Vietnam_War)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_minds_(Iraq)
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Which manipulations they've been doing since 1960-ies too — spending more money on fostering various "peace" movements in the West, than they gave Ho Chi Min.
Yeah really, man, only those dirty commies want peace and equal rights for everybody.
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>> For those who still believe that their data is hidden
> The suspicions (well-founded suspicions) against TikTok et al is not merely privacy-violations. They are suspected and credibly accused of being tools of the foreign adversaries, used not so much to collect data (except, maybe, to sell it to help finance the operations), but to manipulate public opinion .
I wonder what else manipulates public opinion?
Ads, influencers, TV shows, movies, documentaries (including the made up shit like Ancient Aliens), music, shortly put any wide reaching information out there.
Everybody tries to sway public opinion to their side, whichever that is.
The best weapon against manipulation is called NOT BEING STUPID. A weapon most people unfortunately lack.
Again (Score:3, Insightful)
This administration is trying to turn the upcoming election into some kind of referendum about China (China BAD!!!), instead of a referendum about Trump (Trump defy BAD BAD China!!!). Every day they ratchet up the chest-thumping rhetoric and the tough-guy theatre.
Turns out, all they're doing is running scared.
Because they're incompetent losers.
Tired of "winning too much" yet?
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Sure, sure, sure, Cleetus. China is much, much, much, much, much. much worse than the Soviets in the 60's and 70's or Iran, Iraq and Korea in the 80's. Except for the part where 85% of the stock on Wal-Mart's shelves come from there, and we've farmed out 80% of our manufacturing capacity to those irresistible low-low-low labor rates, lack of labor and environmental safeguards...
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I don't understand your logic. So are you saying because we made the mistake of putting all of eggs in the "China" basket we should just bend over and let them have what ever else they want?
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i think he means you shouldn't fall for/spread neither chinese nor us propaganda. which only suits the interests of their respective elites.
meaning you're in the elite yourself with your own agenda, or you're just a gullible fool doing a disservice to humanity.
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Nothing solid was found on Kaspersky, whether you personally trust them or not they offered to share source code. You can what if everything. There was so much mud slunk at Kaspersky at the time and none of it stood up and would fall apart. Very similar to many Russia Russia Russia things. China through various apps is definitely harvesting data. And is that something we want the Chinese government having? The reason I even brought up Kaspersky, is I remember thinking at the time we should probably be
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"Nothing solid was ever found on Trump either"
Are you insinuating he hasn't been cleared of all the bad things you unpatriotic traitor ? Even the AG said he had been cleared!
Are you calling the President and the AG LIARS ?
Re: Again (Score:1)
The Mueller report and AG both said it did not exonerate Trump, it was just before Trump started tweeting TOTAL EXONERATION!!! So yes the President is lying.
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If we're going to take offense with companies we've been friends with who have human rights abuses, the front of the line should be SAUDI ARABIA. In addition to them recently gratuitously murdering a US journalist, they were the majority of the 9/11 hijackers.
China is way behind them.
So unless the administration is not going to look at facts, China is not high on the enemy list of America.
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Interesting article on No, the Woke Won't Debate You. Here's Why. - Some parts of it are pretty deep. I liked this: The belief, as both scholars explain in different ways, is that to play by the existing rules (like conversation and debate as a means to better understand society and advance truth) is to automatically be co-opted by those rules and to support their legitimacy, beside one deeper problem that’s even more significant. The deeper, more significant aspect of this problem is that by par
Trump is declaring no freedom of speech. (Score:5, Interesting)
If it's not his news, it should not be yours. He's currently showing a willingness to damage mail-in voting in favor of crowding you in with his maskless MAGA hats, risk of contagious disease notwithstanding.
He doesn't care if the people who vote for him die. His time is clearly limited. You will keep the populist demagogue in power. You must!
This screwball orange-faced comb-over apparently has appeal with people who have been screwed over too many times but, he is far from their savior.
Keep imploding, US-America ... (Score:1)
Thanks for doing it in such a hilarious slapstick way.
It's almost as if Admiral Benson from Hot Shots is running your country. :)
No hard feelings.
We'll recover the wasteland when you're ... done. :D
Where is the fucking jurisdiction? (Score:5, Informative)
Can someone explain to me how a US president can arbitrarily decide any company is no longer to allowed to do business in the country?
Do we have checks an balances or WTF?
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> Can someone explain to me how a US president can arbitrarily decide any company is no longer to allowed to do business in the country?
I can't explain why the NEA should exist, but the NEA is a 1976 law giving these powers directly to the president, and only excludes 13 special cases still requiring an act of congress.
[1]https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter34&edition=prelim [house.gov]
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act [wikipedia.org]
The categories of "emergency" are vast and encompassing, listed here
[3]https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use [brennancenter.org]
It's history of abuse is par
[1] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter34&edition=prelim
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act
[3] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use
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Footloose was right. Tiktok is sending propaganda to US citizens by getting them to post dancing videos. Obviously dancing is the work of the devil. Think of the kids.
Executive orders (Score:2)
I did not realize that a president had this much power. You're all OK with this, yes? When the next president decides to do whatever they want, through executive orders, you will all be OK with it, right?
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I made my kids uninstall that crap, after my wife had allowed it, months ago. No, I don't like the executive order but fuck tiktok, fuck all social media for that matter.
fix it OS/hardware level (Score:2)
How about going after OS providers (US ones) that allow these companies to collect data?
crazy (Score:1)
Yeah well thats what happens when you let american companies be the gatekeepers of the internet. Do business with america at your own peril.
I don’t get the uproar about Tik Tok (Score:1)
What’s the “security” concern around videos of teenagers making 30-second dance clips with filters anyway?
That would be foolish, but, I suppose, possible. (Score:1)
If the US starts acting that way, China will just (possibly with the agreement of the WTO) invalidate any patents, trademarks, copyrights, etc. that they need for use within China. That they definitely can do. Whether they could export the works, though, would require the agreement of the WTO...which the US has already declined to support. And China would have a very strong case given the extortionate threats that have already been issued.
In summary (Score:5, Funny)
China: TikTok!
U.S.: Tick, tock.
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> China: TikTok!
> U.S.: Tick, tock.
Exactly! We have met the enemy and he is us
Re: In summary (Score:1)
We're are own enemy for letting the Communist Chinese getting this far for infiltrating our behemoth social media companies advocating censorship at every level, or for pulling the plug now on companies that let foreign influencers make decisions that don't have America's interests at heart??
Re: In summary (Score:1)
No, I think he meant having a president that makes EOs like he thinks we are a dictatorship. China is a distraction.
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What do you mean, just like your typical US corporation that puts profits first and the interests of the people, what the fuck, are you joking, interests of the people FUCK OFF, profits, profits, profits, dummy.
The USA is losing the economic war with China and is doing silly shite that makes it worse. Provides greater incentive for the Government of China to declare war on M$ and Google and any other US tech corporation.
Do you know what China has to do to kick the USA's arse all over the global map. Offer
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Stevie Ray and Jimmy Vaughan: Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock people....
[1]The Vaughan Brothers - Tick Tock [youtube.com]
What a corny song.
One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dream
That all the people of the world got together on the same wavelength
And began helping one another
Now in this dream, universal love was the theme of the day
Peace and understanding and it happened this way ....
People of the world, all had it together
Had it together for the boys and the girls
And the children of the world look forward
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8uUTW9zPbM
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> All that came crashing down on August 27, 1990.
Because of Garth Brooks releasing the No Fences album?
I'm kidding. Also I didn't read those lyrics.