The Copilot company also noted that the issues were "very unlikely to occur on personal devices used by individuals."

Yes. Great. Unfortunately it is business use I care about, i.e. managed systems. When I stopped gaming I stopped using Windows at home, I'm only stuck with it at work. Does that mean, business users are less important to MS? Maybe that is a story we should spin more?

Quality control? We have heard of it (and identified it as an expensive cost centre we then did eliminate).

It's becoming more apparent to me that Micro$oft are using Copilot to not only write this shit, but to QC test it too. I bet it's even writing the unit tests itself.

How much longer will this go on for? By rights, really, you should stop updates on your equipment given the real risk of it breaking the whole place apart. But if you do that you leave yourself open to attacks made possible by Micro$oft's lax attitude to security.

Happy Christmas eh.

Until the affected businesses united and complain, nothing will change. Hundreds of millions of individual Windows users might do a lot of whinging but very few, percentage-wise, bother to vent their frustrations directly to MS; getting even a few larger corporations together to gripe means thousands of equivalent user voices and, more importantly, lost face and potentially lost commercial income. The corporate Windows users have the power...but will they ever flex it??

There used to be such things as user groups who could exert some leverage. I suppose user businesses decided it was taking up too much staff time to attend meetings, even before COVID. Then there was the issue of who would represent the business - quite unacceptable to send some low level techie who understood what it was about it it was qay too detailed for a managerial chap.

Until the affected businesses united and complain ...

And when the businesses unite and complain, MS will do absolutely nothing about it. Remember, Microsoft knows what's good for you and will ran it down your throat until you choke!

That might be a bit pessimistic :p For example, IMHO if the financial industry banded together and said "your Windows 11 telemetry is unacceptable for our security operations!", I would think that MS would blink and create a version without the stuff. Losing hundreds of thousands of seats in a major industry would make them reconsider (well, if they had even a single gram of intelligence left in them). After all, MS created locked-down versions of both WinCE and Win7 for the financial industry, it seems the industry has some pulling power.

"The bad news is that there is no immediate fix, and the workaround involves fiddling with the Windows registry for virtualized environments or a PowerShell script to prevent Explorer launching before the required packages are provisioned."

But it's so much easier than Linux, isn't it?

How does a user get in to fiddle with the registry or create and run a script without the task bar or panel? I don't suppose Ctrl Alt F1 woks on Windows.

Particularly how does a user in the type of locked down corporate environmemt where this seems to be happening get in to fiddle etc...?

IT will just send you a replacement laptop. Seems to be their fix for everything.

They're not even trying anymore.

Au contraire, they are trying. Trying to keep users on Windows 10. With allies like them, who needs enemies?

I'd say they're very trying, especially for the patience of those who have to pick up the pieces (again)...

It completely, fu$kd, my computer up. After trying various ways to try to recover, I literally had to repartition, and re-install a backup, that Hasleo had automatically made 3 days ago.

All is working again - 5 hours again wasted faffing around.

Of course, all updates have been suspended for 5 weeks until MS sort the latest cockup out.

CS

The most contradictory term of something that really exists and can be bought was "Microsoft Works".

Now it is "Windows Professional".

Now it is "Windows Professional".

For a particular meaning of "professional" as in you fuck with it but pretty quickly find yourself with little to show for the exercise, if you are lucky, other than just poorer. Seems pretty apt.

just like, chill guys, you're interfering with the vibes

Looks like Microsoft is not only [1]"at home" to Mr Cockup . but it's liberty hall for all his near relations and acquaintances.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VXTWSClS5uw

You think after 30 years, 102 days, they'd be able to get the start menu to work right.

>> XAML-dependent modern apps such as the Start menu, Explorer, Windows Search

Why are these considered modern? The start button began a long time ago. What does it gain by being modernised with XAML?

MS should take a whole new/old look at Windows. Certain parts, including the Start button and Explorer, don't need to be modernised. They need to be reliable and nothing else. I think MS really started to lose its way after Windows 7. That was the last reasonable version. It was not as snappy as Win2k, but it was at least usable. The stuff that MS dumps out today is just bloated crap. But they'll keep adding more crap.

This is the first time in a long, long time that I see someone post something positive about win2k

The general opinion was

W2k bad

Xp sp3 good

Vista awful

Win7 good

Win10 okish

Win11 makes win10 look good.

Nobody talks about the one in between, that introduced the modern ( i think that was the name for those, modern ) apps. And had the godawfull tiles and metro.

Let's take everything that socks about desktop OSes and combine it with everything that socks on mobile devices so we get one OS that's equally hated on all platforms.

This will doubtless cause pain for corporate clients. Maybe pain at that particular pressure point might be enough for people to say "ENOUGH!".

Yeah, I know, I'm being far too optimistic.

But seriously, if I was to roll out an update at work and it broke our system for thousands of customers, I'd be in very hot water.

They also leave you vulnerable to attacks even if you're fully up to date. See last windows 11 install I ran three weeks ago that lasted a whole two weeks before something nuked my partition tables on all my drives.

On reinstalling Linux, I discovered a miracle: Electronic Arts has released a Linux Proton compatible loader so now ALL my games run on Linux except one whose servers have been decommissioned. Even windows 11 can't claim that any more.

The worst is that this quote doesn't complete the concept -- the second half is "let's get it out the door before it breaks".