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IETF draft calls for grant of five nonillion IPv6 addresses to ham radio operators

(2025/12/02)


Early in the history of the internet, the powers that be granted amateur radio operators over 16 million IPv4 addresses. Now a proposal has emerged suggesting the same community be granted a substantial chunk of the IPv6 numberspace.

The proposal to give amateur radio operators some IPv6 emerged in an IETF [1]draft that appeared in early November.

Sole author Preston Louis Ursini, who operates the Paducah Internet Exchange and participates in internet policy development processes, points out that amateur radio operators need an addressing system and the IPv4 bloc assigned to the community has done the job for years.

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That bloc, 44/8, is a little controversial because Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC), the foundation that exists to support amateur radio and digital communication science and technology, sold a quarter of it to Amazon.com in 2019 for over $100 million.

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ARDC gained access to 44/8 in 1981, a time when nobody had an inkling that IPv4 addresses would ever be in short supply and the sole delegator of IP addresses – internet pioneer Jon Postel – happily assigned them when he thought requests had merit.

Once the internet became popular and IPv4 became scarce, internet governance strengthened and regional internet registries (RIRs) came into being to oversee and develop policy for IP address allocation. RIRs still have that role today and now require would-be IP address users to justify their needs, possess appropriate structures, and meet other criteria. Generous grants of IP addresses, and capricious carve-outs of addresses for special purposes, are now very infrequent.

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[7]Internet mapping and research outfit Censys reveals state-based abuse, harassment

[8]Need cash? Your IPv4 stash can now be collateral for $100M loans

In his IETF draft, Ursini points out that amateur radio operators have built practices and procedures around 44/8, and that for various reasons it would be impractical for the community to use RIRs to acquire IPv6 for its future needs.

He nonetheless suggests that the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) should reserve the 44::/16 bloc of IPv6 addresses and work with the RIRs to develop “a coordinated global policy framework” to make it all work.

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As [10]pointed out last week by George Michaelson, a senior R&D officer at the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC), the five RIRs are currently working to [11]update the policy that defines their lifecycle and roles.

“Against that backdrop, a request to the IETF for IANA to delegate a specific block – and to a specific organization – is likely to run straight into the process boundaries that govern the creation of new global registries,” he wrote.

In conversation with The Register , Michaelson said Ursini’s draft doesn’t represent a huge chunk of the IPv6 numberspace, which covers 2 128 addresses. Ursini’s proposal asks for a mere 2 112 addresses – five nonillion of the 340 undecillion addresses available under IPv6.

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The suggestion is, however, unusual.

Michaelson thinks it’s nonetheless worth considering this idea, because the amateur radio community has a long history of doing interesting things that later become useful in other contexts. He also told us he thinks Ursini’s idea is running ahead of debate, and that the internet community will soon need to consider some matters – especially as humanity builds more networks in space and needs to consider how radio networks with lots of latency will interact with the rest of the internet. ®

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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ursini-44net-ipv6-allocation/

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[5] https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/29/nded/

[6] https://www.theregister.com/2025/08/20/ietf_dnsop_3901bis_ipv4_ipv6/

[7] https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/03/censys_abuse_sigcomm_paper/

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/13/ipv4_loan_collateral/

[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_onprem/networks&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44aS7GuBFG1zWsXPFTj19QzQAAAFA&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[10] https://blog.apnic.net/2025/11/14/a-proposed-big-ipv6-block-for-packetized-amateur-radio/

[11] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/02/internet_governance_update/

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[13] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



LosD

As they already once has used that kind of gift as a commodity, it should be stipulated _very_ clearly in any documents, that any attempt of selling addresses would revert the ownership.

... Yeah. I know that it is highly unlikely ever to become an issue. But so was 2^32 addresses once, yet here we are.

Anonymous Coward

I am a radio amateur and I approve this message. Amateur radio is not short of money, at least not in the parts of the world the $100M arrived.

nobody who matters

"As they already once has used that kind of gift as a commodity....."

Worth noting here that the 'they' in question are a small group of people in the position to benefit, and not radio hams in general ;) The $100million will have no doubt ended up mainly going into a very small number of trouser pockets.

Don't forget

Retiredwatcher

Over the years the amateur community led the way in many fields. We had microwaves to play with and proved they could work over distance!

Radar can be traced back to us as well. Since then all sorts of pressure is alls part of the commercial spectrum for us to loose the very things we use.

It is a large body of qualified engineers that have the time and no commercial pressure too experiment and prove ideas.

Anonymous Coward

I fully support the idea of giving a bunch of technical experimenters the resources to experiment with, but the scale seems wildly excessive. Are they wanting to assign an IP address to every Hz in the spectrum?

The whole "IPv6 has 340 undecillion addresses" argument is moot if you're dishing them out in blocks of 5 nonillion - we'll run out eventually, and a lot sooner than people think.

Anonymous Coward

Quick! Let's get started now on IPv7 before we run out!

There are a million nonillions in an undecillion. If we gave away a block of 5 nonillion every day, it would take ~200,000 years to exhaust the IPv6 address space. I doubt any of us will live to see that day.

FWIW only a handful of IPv6 blocks have been allocated outside the RIR system since IPv6 was invented, roughly one every 5 years or so. See https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-address-space/ipv6-address-space.xhtml. If that rate continues, IPv6 space will last for something like 400 million years. And if/when we get close to that crunch point, it's likely steps will be taken to make more efficient use of the allocated address space, just like we're doing for IPv4 today.

400 million years in the future

I ain't Spartacus

A long time in the future, in a galaxy far, far away: The Empire is about to run out of internet addresses. This is disrupting plans for the building of the 3,023rd Death Star. Grand Emperor Palpatine has somehow returned. In order to cut through the bureaucratic arguments he has decided to chair the 27,156,458th meeting of the Intergalactic Committee on Net Protocols to finally either totally migrate from IPv4 to IPv6 or to create IPvX and have done with both of them.

After 4 hours of painfully written dialogue the Emperor draws his lightsaber and kills everyone in the room. [Audience cheers.] Darth Jar Jar is put in charge of IPvX.

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