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KDE Plasma sets date to dump X11 as Wayland push accelerates

(2025/11/28)


The oldest of the open source Linux desktops is planning its final steps away from X11, while an even older Unix desktop is getting freshened up.

The team behind the KDE Plasma desktop announced it is [1]going all-in on a Wayland future . The Plasma version 6.8, "which we expect will be sometime in early 2027," will completely drop X11 support.

You don't need to worry just yet. Plasma 6.5 [2]appeared less than a month ago , and it's currently at [3]version 6.5.3 . That means there are the entire 6.6 and 6.7 release sequences to get through, which will probably take most of 2026 and some of 2027.

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This sets a time frame for KDE to catch up with GNOME, the other major FOSS desktop environment. The next release, GNOME 50, is set to go Wayland-only but it's not quite there yet. Although GNOME 49 – as [5]found in Fedora 43 and Ubuntu 25.10 – disables the X11 login session by default, you can still reinstall it. GNOME developer Jordan Petridis [6]predicted X11's removal from the code back in June, and the [7]code change was merged earlier this month.

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We still often see reports of significant issues with Wayland, and to be fair, the KDE project maintains [10]its own list . We've heard about problems with screenshots and screen sharing, remote control using VNC, saving and restoring window layouts, problems with [11]touchscreen and trackpad gestures , as well as accessibility issues with speech recognition, screen readers, and more. However, the situation is improving. Some distros are making Wayland the default, leading to more people filing bugs and this helps to isolate the issues.

CDE lives

Meanwhile, going to the opposite extreme, [12]KDE 1.0-beta1 was in 1997, a year after the [13]project was founded . As Xfce's creator, Olivier Fourdan, [14]put it : "I started the project in late 1996, before GNOME or gtk+ even existed." KDE's name was a reference to CDE, and Xfce's origins are even more direct: it was a direct [15]recreation of CDE , although it wasn't initially open source.

The Common Desktop Environment to which they paid homage had already [16]been around since 1993 . In 2012, we [17]reported it had become open source , and a decade later, we [18]compared it to modern FOSS recreation NsCDE .

No less than 32 years after the project started, this week [19]CDE 2.5.3 appeared, with better support for multi-button mice and a bunch of bug fixes. The Reg FOSS desk has only seen one Linux distro that offers CDE, the Debian-based SparkyLinux, which we [20]looked at in 2024 . That is very much alive – it [21]put out version 8.1 earlier this month. An effort to [22]bring CDE to OpenBSD started earlier this year too, reviving an [23]earlier port from around 2018.

[24]Tiny tweak for Pi OS, big makeover for the Imager

[25]Tuxedo Computers slams lid on Arm Linux laptop after 18 months of pain

[26]LisaGUI recreates Apple's innovative computer OS, without emulating it

[27]This Thanksgiving, top your turkey with Cranberry sOSS to fund open source

Almost ironically, the revived CDE seems to be livelier than the modern recreation: [28]NsCDE hasn't seen any activity since 2023.

Tmux gets polished too

If that's still too much graphical shiny for your tastes, there are some even lighter-weight options that have new releases out.

A few months ago, we offered a [29]survey of terminal multiplexers , out of which tmux emerged looking good. The development team has applied a bit of [30]T-Cut , polished it further, and released [31]version 3.6 . The [32]release notes contain a lot of bug fixes, but there is a more visible new feature:

Add support for a scrollbar at the side of each pane.

Since we wrote that round-up, we've discovered even more options in the field of text-mode windowing environments.

Julien Caposiena's [33]desktop-tui is in the ever-more-trendy Rust, and development seems active. The project only began in September and there have been six releases so far.

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If you favor the more traditional C++, then there is [35]TVTerm , which uses a [36]modernized version of Borland's MIT-licensed Turbo Vision 2.0. ®

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[1] https://blogs.kde.org/2025/11/26/going-all-in-on-a-wayland-future/

[2] https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/30/kde_65_651/

[3] https://kde.org/gl/announcements/plasma/6/6.5.3/

[4] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2aSnVKG2OehbTn8EZkAUrJAAAAJc&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[5] https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/12/ubuntu_2510_to_drop_x11/

[6] https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/08/the-x11-session-removal/

[7] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/4505

[8] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44aSnVKG2OehbTn8EZkAUrJAAAAJc&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=3&c=33aSnVKG2OehbTn8EZkAUrJAAAAJc&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D3%26raptor%3Deagle%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[10] https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Known_Significant_Issues

[11] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402857

[12] https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0-beta1/

[13] https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ?pli=1

[14] https://www.slashgear.com/xfce-creator-talks-linux-moblin-netbooks-and-open-source-0633329/

[15] https://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/xfce-third-man

[16] https://web.archive.org/web/20120207160207/http://bubl.ac.uk/ARCHIVE/subject/computing/misc/coseup6.htm

[17] https://www.theregister.com/2012/08/09/cde_goes_opensource/

[18] https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/28/battle_of_the_retro_desktops/

[19] https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/e945fc8b08a4882769e29f20fbbb29afe6019da1/

[20] https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/28/sparkylinux/

[21] https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-8-1/

[22] https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20250730080301

[23] https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/OpenBSDBuild/

[24] https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/27/new_raspberry_pi_imager/

[25] https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/26/tuxedo_axes_arm_laptop/

[26] https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/24/lisagui_lisaos_apple/

[27] https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/24/cranberry_soss_campaign/

[28] https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE

[29] https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/24/tiling_multiplexers_survey/

[30] http://www.carplan-international.com/t-cut

[31] https://github.com/tmux/tmux/releases/tag/3.6

[32] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tmux/tmux/3.6/CHANGES

[33] https://github.com/Julien-cpsn/desktop-tui

[34] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_software/oses&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44aSnVKG2OehbTn8EZkAUrJAAAAJc&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[35] https://github.com/magiblot/tvterm

[36] https://github.com/magiblot/tvision

[37] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



CDE

herman

Used CDE in a previous life on Sparcs. It worked pretty good.

CDE Is An Interest

NewModelArmy

I just looked at a screenshot of CDE, and recall Motif in the 1990's.

The benefit of KDE is the themes that can be downloaded. So i just downloaded and installed Commonality Sol, which is the magenta version.

The dark windows with white writing, and in general, web pages are white really focuses in on the web page. The best bit is the 3D border. There is no mistaking where the window starts/ends etc.

The icons on the taskbar look retro, but they look like what they action, as opposed to "symbols".

If Fedora provide this as a desktop, then it may be one i will use.

Man o man

VoiceOfTruth

There is some hypocrisy in the world.

>> GNOME developer Jordan Petridis predicted X11's removal from the code back in June, and the code change was merged earlier this month.

For your convenience, we have cancelled the train you used to use. The newer shinier train has less carriages, less seats, and a driver called Bob.

>> We still often see reports of significant issues with Wayland.

Despite quotes elsewhere that Wayland as a "protocol is more straightforward and easier to understand [than X11]", it still has a shedload of bugs. If it is so much easier, why so many bugs?

>> Some distros are making Wayland the default, leading to more people filing bugs and this helps to isolate the issues.

Yet noisy voices in the Linux world yell loudly about Windows users being bug testers. (Quite rightly). Those same voices are remarkably quiet when it happens in Linuxland.

I'll add my own two cents: If Wayland is to replace X11, let it be rewritten in Rust.

Re: Man o man

theOtherJT

Doing a bit of bug hunting is the sort of thing that I'm prepared to put up with when the product is free. If I have to pay a couple of hundred bucks for it, I rather expect them to have professionals to do that sort of thing for me.

Re: Man o man

VoiceOfTruth

Your time is not free. Or if it is, come mow my garden.

Re: Man o man

theOtherJT

This is true, but for the sake of taking 5 minutes to fill out a bug report, I'll take that as an acceptable price to pay for getting a free operating system that doesn't advertise at me or report on everything I do.

...also linux bug hunting is kinda my day-job, so a lot of the time it's a twofer.

Re: Man o man

TVU

Your comment reminds me of a quote from another forum:

You failed to read the fine print at the bottom of all the wayland promises over the past 12 years:

"It will improve your performance. Next year. Or the year after that. Or maybe the year after that. If you have the right hardware. And the right desktop. On certain tasks with certain apps. Maybe. Depends on the alignment of the stars and the moon, and if Jupiter is in the 2nd house."

Desktop-TUI

theOtherJT

I love it. It's so utterly pointless, but I love it. Seeing things like that done with good old text mode just fills me with joy. Imagine having a "GUI" like that over telnet back in the day. It would have blown people's minds.

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