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Orbital datacenters subject to launch stress, nasty space weather, and expensive house calls

(2025/07/25)


opinion William Gibson's Neuromancer holds up well after 40 years. One of the cyberpunk novel's concepts was an AI housed in an orbital datacenter (ODC) above the Earth. Today, startup companies and venture capital firms are hoping to turn orbital datacenters into reality to enable AI, believing that free power from the sun and cooling using the emptiness of space will unlock the technology from its terrestrial-based shackles of electric bills and cooling water.

The ODC concept recently got a Wall Street plug on [1]CNBC's "Property Play" last week, with the global chief investment officer of Hines taking time away from his $90 billion plus portfolio of 108 million square feet of dirt-bound properties to talk about monetizing space and building datacenters on the Moon.

A number of firms have received venture funding to put datacenters in space, including seasoned players such as [2]Orbits Edge , which has worked the non-trivial engineering problems of putting a rack in space before COVID was a thing, to newcomer flush-with-cash [3]Starcloud , fresh out of [4]Y Combinator and with [5]about $21 million in pocket change , as reported by GeekWire. Both Orbits Edge and Starcloud expect to launch their first pathfinder satellites later this year on board a SpaceX rideshare.

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[7]Starcloud's white paper [PDF] argues that going into orbit is the solution to the coming datacenter [8]energy and water crunch that could otherwise stall out the AI boom. I'm skeptical for a bunch of reasons, not the least of which is Starcloud's website hype video of a huge in-orbit complex with a 4 km-square 5 GW solar array, supporting a cluster of shipping container-sized canisters full of compute power that should be sufficient to train Llama 5 or GPT-6.

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Unlocking ODCs requires fully reusable rockets such as SpaceX's Starship, which will lower the cost of putting things into orbit. The problem is that space is hard. It's a cliché repeated when a SpaceX Starship test flight goes off the rails and into the ocean in pieces or the Intuitive Machines lander carrying [11]Lonestar Data Holdings "Freedom" datacenter – if we can call a single board computer weighing about a kilogram a datacenter – tipped over onto its side during an attempted landing on the Moon earlier this year.

Getting to orbit presents physical challenges that, despite the allure of "free" power, add onto the cost of putting anything into space. To get to Low Earth Orbit (LEO), the easiest location to reach, any piece of hardware has to go from zero to 7.8 kilometers per second in about 10 minutes on a ride much rougher than in an ocean shipping container or 18 wheeler, which means lots of vibrational stresses and directional loading that turn your stock off-the-shelf server into a pile of junk. Hardware needs to be hardened to survive the trip up the gravity well and verified that it won't inadvertently break the (reusable) rocket along the way.

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Once in orbit, an ODC needs to work perfectly from the first day. There aren't any remote hands to replace a cable or swap a board. When onsite service calls are needed, they won't be cheap. Getting a technician on site to LEO today would cost $20 million to $50 million per person with a two-person minimum, with charges escalating dramatically if you need to go to the Moon.

Radiation from the sun and random cosmic rays play havoc with satellite chips unshielded by Earth's atmosphere, resulting in faults and errors. ODC pundits say radiation issues are manageable by adding shielding and using ruggedized hardware, software, and firmware designed to recognize faults and recover from them without losing data. HPE has done pioneering work onboard the International Space Station with three [13]Spaceborne Computer missions over the past few years, but these have been 1U servers, not racks of compute packed into a shipping container and expected to work for up to a decade without onsite attention.

Space weather: Lights, spikes, falling sats

Then there's space weather. The sun randomly spews out massive amounts of protons and electrons that don't play well with 21st century electronics. Significant outbursts in the modern era result in rerouting polar region flights due to radio interference and take down power grids, such as a 1989 event that affected Québec, damaging transformers and causing a blackout.

The 1859 Carrington Event, the most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, was so intense that it created enough auroral light from the North Pole to enable people in the Northeastern U.S. to read newspapers at night and generated sparking along telegraph lines around the world.

A repeat of Carrington or larger would cripple or destroy orbiting satellites that aren't built for a proverbial "100-year storm." In addition to clobbering electronics, increased solar activity heats up and expands the atmosphere, adding additional drag onto satellites. One recent solar event took down some Starlink satellites ahead of their time, according to a [14]May 25, 2025 paper published by NASA scientists .

[15]Commercial space station outfit plans two Orbital Data Center nodes by the end of 2025

[16]Axiom Space and Red Hat to take edge computing into orbit

[17]Slow down on building power plants for all those new AI datacenters, report warns

[18]What happens when we can't just build bigger AI datacenters anymore?

Orbital junkyard

Space debris is the other Achilles heel for large space structures. The rush to put more satellites into orbit every year increases the possibility of a single collision leading to others, with each one generating larger clouds of debris that damage more satellites and so on, in a sort of 3D space version of dominoes.

This process, called the Kessler Syndrome for the NASA scientist who described it back in 1978, gets more discussion every year as the number of satellites in orbit increases. Realistic plans for cleaning up LEO and other orbits are vague, with some initial demonstrations of removing an intact piece of debris planned in the near future. But until someone figures out how to create and – more importantly - pay for the neighborhood space garbage man to start sweeping in earnest, putting a 4km-square solar array into orbit and expecting it not to take one or more major hits during a decade of operation might be considered a bit too risky.

ODCs might work for...

While I don't see GPT-6 being generated by a large-scale ODC in orbit, there are needs and places for smaller-sized versions to handle select jobs close to Earth. Defense applications, such as processing sensor data to support President Trump's proposed " [19]Golden Dome " for intercepting ballistic and hypersonic weapons, are one obvious place where every millisecond counts. Real-time control of industrial processing, such as mining operations on the Moon, is another area a rack of servers on site makes a key difference. Finally, synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and hyperspectral satellites gather very large data sets that could be offloaded to a local ODC for processing into rapidly usable insights, rather than waiting to pass over a downlink station.

And if I'm wrong and we do see larger-scale ODCs in orbit, hopefully we won't go down the dark path of cyberpunk with shackled AIs manipulating street criminals to win their freedom. Maybe we'll be able to work things out amicably. ®

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[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/15/real-estate-firms-race-to-put-data-centers-on-the-moon-build-space-support.html

[2] https://orbitsedge.com/

[3] https://www.starcloud.com/

[4] https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/starcloud

[5] https://www.geekwire.com/2025/lumen-orbit-starcloud-10m-space-data-centers/

[6] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offprem/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=2&c=2aIZNKdyrcYQB0dTHxTfk3wAAAI8&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D2%26raptor%3Dcondor%26pos%3Dtop%26test%3D0

[7] https://starcloudinc.github.io/wp.pdf

[8] https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/24/mistral_environmental_report_ai_cost/

[9] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offprem/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44aIZNKdyrcYQB0dTHxTfk3wAAAI8&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

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[11] https://www.lonestarlunar.com/

[12] https://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/jump?co=1&iu=/6978/reg_offprem/front&sz=300x50%7C300x100%7C300x250%7C300x251%7C300x252%7C300x600%7C300x601&tile=4&c=44aIZNKdyrcYQB0dTHxTfk3wAAAI8&t=ct%3Dns%26unitnum%3D4%26raptor%3Dfalcon%26pos%3Dmid%26test%3D0

[13] https://www.hpe.com/us/en/newsroom/accelerating-space-exploration-with-the-spaceborne-computer.html

[14] https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.13752

[15] https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/09/data_centers_leo_axiom_space/

[16] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/07/axiom_space_and_red_hat/

[17] https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/10/us_datacenter_growth/

[18] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/24/build_bigger_ai_datacenters/

[19] https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/21/trump_golden_dome/

[20] https://whitepapers.theregister.com/



cooling using the emptiness of space

Neil Barnes

I had this vague idea that getting rid of even low-grade heat is the problem, radiation not being a terribly good way of removing heat unless its awfully hot?

Re: cooling using the emptiness of space

Sparkus

Yes.

There is no 'cooling' in space, just heat transfer using highly volatile and hazardous fluids and gasses, all of which have a tendency to corrode whatever mechanisms are pumping them around.

Re: cooling using the emptiness of space

Paul Crawford

Many remote sensing satellites with IR sensors cool them down to quite low temperatures by having a radiator pointing out to space, which is about 3K so quite a delta for radiation cooling, but not as easy as Earth-style conduction/convection. Also you need a bit of effort to keep it pointing at cold space, not hot Sun (or warm Earth), and for stuff buried deep in the middle of the structure the heat has to be pumped to the outside-facing radiator, typically using a Stirling engine or similar.

Re: cooling using the emptiness of space

DS999

Yep was going to say the same thing. The only question I have is are the people getting VC funding for this that ignorant or that crooked?

That they get a single dollar for this is further proof (as if any was needed) that extremely wealthy people did not get that way because they are smart. They were lucky, either by birth or circumstance. Because anyone putting even a single dollar into this venture deserves to have it conned away for being so Dunning-Kruger that they won't even seek the advice of someone with a clue who could tell that a datacenter in space is an impossibility.

Re: cooling using the emptiness of space

Joe W

Beat me to it :-D

Really, cooling is considered "easy"?

Joe W

"cooling using the emptiness of space"

Any space boffins around? My understanding is that getting rid of heat is far from simple in space, because there's only radiative cooking, no convection. But maybe I'm wrong, and too negative....

Re: Really, cooling is considered "easy"?

DJO

No, you're not wrong. Space is misunderstood, people think an unprotected person would freeze in space when they would actually over heat, the body cannot radiate faster than it generates heat.

To cool an orbital box of processors you'd need to concentrate the heat on the radiators and they'd need to be big and completely out of any direct or reflected sunlight. Possible but tricky.

Re: Really, cooling is considered "easy"?

Red Ted

One of the simple vacuum sensors is just a heater and a temperature sensor. The systems puts a constant power in to the heater and you measure the temperature, which increases as the pressure drops, because the heater cannot be cooled by convection, just radiation.

Re: Really, cooling is considered "easy"?

DS999

You'd need some type of coolant loop where the coolant is protected against freezing but reaches the highest possible maximum temperature, which can be transferred to the radiator. If we assume there's some sort of 'ideal' coolant that doesn't limit your design then you are limited by the maximum temperature your heat pump/compressor can achieve and the maximum temperature your radiator material can obtain without thermal expansion becoming an issue.

If you could get your radiator hot enough to glow a faint red (i.e. about 800K) then you could shed about 15kw/m^2. If you could somehow get it to 2000K you can bump that up another order of magnitude.

So I suppose if you can solve the problem of the coolant to use, the heat pump able to concentrate heat that much, transferring that heat to the radiator, and selecting a material for your radiator that gets that hot without issue, and build this all reliably enough that it will continue operating for years since no repair will be possible then you have only one problem left.

How to power this. Because if you create something able to glow white hot at 2000K and radiate away 150kw/m^2 into space then unless your solar panels are measured in tenths of a square kilometer all that clever engineering to maximize your radiator's capacity will have been wasted. You're going to have a launch a nuclear reactor into orbit, which I'm sure no one would have any objections to, and it too has to operate without maintenance - and will add to your cooling requirements.

To say nothing of ...

jake

... latency.

Ever make an overseas phone call in the world of satellite links between continents?

Re: To say nothing of ...

vtcodger

Latency ...

Indeed. If you put your data center in Low Earth orbit the latency isn't too bad. But the satellite is only visible from a given location for a few minutes every now and then. If you put the data center in geostationary orbit, it's always visible from the same roughly 40% of the Earth's surface. But the round trip latency is around 600ms.

TheMaskedMan

I don't think I've ever seen an article category more appropriate than this - off prem, indeed!

Can't see this happening, though. Cooling and maintenance aside, what do you do when it's time to upgrade or replace your fancy orbital servers? Simply deorbiting them would seem like a terrible waste.

I wonder if it would be cheaper in the long run to have the data centre in a crewed station? There would be people around to do maintenance, at least, but it still wouldn't be cheap.

Self Assembling Systems ?

Anonymous Coward

Apart from the complete daftness of the idea of orbital data centres (especially in LEO) one "obvious" † way to overcome some of the drawbacks would to build the centres from small relatively cheap modules with the capability of assembling themselves into complete systems - and presumably disassemble themselves for upgrades or repairs.

Without too much thought I imagine CPU and GPU chips that dissipate >100W as heat would necessarily require convective cooling either by immersion in a fluid (gas or liquid) or some heat pipe technology (unless the chips were to glow incandescently white hot.:)

Handling and transporting fluids in an obligatory vacuum reliably for long periods would be a major engineering challenge in itself, I should think, without the thermal aspects of effective heat exchange to consider.

Apparently no matter how ridiculous the idea, if it is pitched as enabling the wider deployment of AI, the pimp will be showered with gold; clearly most wouldn't even deserve a golden shower.

† admittedly for very dubious value of obvious .

Have I missed anything?

steelpillow

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Re: Have I missed anything?

DJO

Nice try but you omitted the word "Synergistically". You did get "leveraging" which saved you from a complete fail.

Is it just me?

vtcodger

Am I the only one who wonders why the heck one would even want a data center in orbit even if all the rather daunting technical problems could be resolved.

I've given it a full 2 minutes of thought and I'll be damned if I can come up with even one plausible use case.

Re: Is it just me?

steelpillow

Because you were exiled to orbit when your Mars ship broke, your global company consequently crashed, and nobody else wants you back down?

Can't wait

xyz

AWS pointy thing being fired at Azure data centre thing. Azure pointy thing being fired back and hitting Google thing...crash bang wallop and everyone back to the stone age.

Havoc

tiggity

"Radiation from the sun and random cosmic rays play havoc with satellite chips unshielded by Earth's atmosphere, resulting in faults and errors."

Well for an "AI", faults & errors are par for the course, so (unlike the cooling issue) radiation induced errors won't be much of an issue as cannot make the output quality appreciably worse than it already is.

Re: Havoc

retiredFool

I could see a couple of views. One, the AI people could blame any problems on radiation, and that is why the answer was so wonky. On the other hand, if the radiation hit caused a "good" "creative" answer, they'd extol the wonders of AI. It is almost too perfect. I actually think though radiation is the problem. Unless things get incredibly inexpensive to lob into space, like pennies per pound. Lead is heavy.

Anyone know how the HP mentioned in the article is shielded? I'm thinking the storage has to be an SSD, no way spinning rust is going to make that trip. But an SSD seems like it would be incredibly susceptible to radiation hits moving that buried charge around. RAM is almost certainly ECC. Or did they put the whole thing in a chunk of lead?

Skynet

James Loughner

So this is the plan for a Skynet??????

When does the Terminator arrive???

Re: Skynet

Paul Crawford

Already here puny human :)

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Amass a store of gold and jade, and no one can protect it.
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