Ubuntu 25.10 and Fedora 43 to drop X11 in GNOME editions
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- News link: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2025/06/12/ubuntu_2510_to_drop_x11/
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This is no big surprise, and it follows both parallel and upstream announcements. Upstream, because [1]GNOME 49 will remove the X11 session , and parallel, because the corresponding release of Red Hat's free community distro, Fedora 43, [2]will also be Wayland-only .
We anticipate some user resistance to [3]this change , and more to what's coming down the pipe in the near future, as the GNOME project is also planning to [4]introduce stronger dependencies on systemd . At present, GNOME runs fine on the BSDs and [5]systemd-free Linux distributions , but that is about to get a great deal harder. Soon, GNOME will effectively be Linux-only, unless the maintainers of versions for other OSes do some heroic porting work. That also goes for distros with non-standard userlands, such as the remarkable [6]Chimera Linux with its FreeBSD-based userland, which currently uses GNOME by default.
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According to a [8]post in the Ubuntu Budgie Discord from the project's founder and leader David Mohammed, Ubuntu Budgie 25.10 will also be Wayland-only.
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That aside, the new change only applies to the GNOME variants of Ubuntu and Fedora. Both distros offer multiple other desktop environments – in Ubuntu's case, its [11]other flavors offer KDE Plasma, LXQt, Cinnamon, Kylin, MATE, Unity, and Xfce. All of these currently offer X11 sessions, although both the GNOME and KDE-based Kubuntu already uses Wayland by default.
It's significant, though, because GNOME is the default [12]desktop edition of Ubuntu, just as it is in [13]Fedora Workstation . We strongly suspect that many users will look no further than the flagship recommendation, and only the knowledgeable and motivated will go exploring to find alternative editions. The flip side of that, of course, is that anyone knowledgeable enough to have a desktop preference won't be affected by the move.
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From the project's beginnings with [15]Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" 21 years before "Questing Quokka," Ubuntu was GNOME-first, despite its five-year dalliance with its own in-house Unity desktop, which became the default from [16]Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" until [17]17.04 "Zesty Zapus." After that, it was back to GNOME – albeit the new GNOME 3 – with [18]17.10 "Artful Aardvark," which used GNOME 3.26.
The teams behind most of the alternative desktop environments in Ubuntu are also working on adopting the new display protocol. Several already offer at least some degree of Wayland support, including the LXQt desktop used in Lubuntu and the Xfce desktop in Xubuntu. Fedora also offers the distinctly GNOME-like COSMIC and several tiling environments that are Wayland-only.
Not everyone is happy about this, of course, which is why the [19]Xlibre fork of the X.org X11 server was recently announced. According to that new project's leader, the X.org maintainers have turned down thousands of code changes and improvements to its X11 server in recent years.
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Although distros like Ubuntu and Fedora, and desktops such as GNOME, are FOSS projects and are given away for free, the organizations behind these distros are commercial operations. Both in financial terms (how much money it makes and how much it spends) and also in terms of staffing, Red Hat is by far the largest corporate sponsor in the Linux world. In addition to obviously Red Hat-centric tools such as DNF and RPM (which originally stood for Redhat Package Manager), the IBM subsidiary is or was the primary sponsor of GNOME, Gtk, systemd, Wayland, Flatpak, Pipewire, OStree, Podman, and many other pivotal parts of Linux.
RHEL only includes the GNOME desktop (as does [21]SUSE Linux Enterprise in recent years – there's no KDE in SLE, although IceWM is available). Furthermore, [22]RHEL 10 is out now and [23]it is Wayland-only . It is fair and reasonable that Big Purple is mainly motivated to focus its efforts on the tools and technologies that go into the products that make it money.
So, although some of the claims of the Xlibre founder may sound paranoid, we're inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. It is perfectly plausible that Red Hat really does want the X.org X11 server to shrivel up and die. This goes for Red Hat staff, too. As a former employee, this vulture can attest that the company culture is very strong. We have no difficulty believing that some X.org people might be actively rejecting any efforts to keep the X11 server alive and maintained.
Contrary to what some overly partisan FOSS advocates would have you believe, there are still valid reasons to want to use X11 instead. Simon Peter, the developer of the [24]Hello System and the AppImage packaging format, is known online as ProbonoPD and has an encyclopedic GitHub gist titled " [25]Think twice before abandoning Xorg ," which describes a lot of the problems and issues around Wayland.
We've also often seen claims that the same teams develop both X11 and Wayland, which is why this article carefully talks about the X.org X11 server rather than X.org in general. The [26]X.org Foundation does other things – as that page says:
This stack includes, but is not limited to, the following projects: DRM, Mesa, Wayland and the X Window System
Its sibling, [27]Freedesktop.org , used to be called the X Desktop Group, but as it's no longer centred around X, the name change makes sense. Between them, they help coordinate the development of lots of elements of FOSS desktops for Unix-like OSes, including a long [28]list of specifications , many of which are still called XDG.
[29]Forked-off Xlibre tells Wayland display protocol to DEI in a fire
[30]OpenMamba: Eat your greens, they're good for you
[31]Three ways to run Windows apps on a Linux box
[32]The elusive goal of Unix – or Linux – simplicity
There's a crucial but often overlooked distinction here. Yes, X.org develops the reference implementation of X11, but it's not the only implementation, and it never was. X.org was [33]forked from XFree86 around 2004 , and although development is dormant, [34]XFree86 still exists.
There are or have been multiple active forks of X.org. OpenBSD uses [35]Xenocara , developed independently. The [36]FreeBSD X11 server and [37]NetBSD X11 servers are their own forks, too. Although it's very different, the X11 server for Apple macOS, [38]XQuartz , is also still around – even if it's not bundled any more.
The proprietary UNIX variants that are still in maintenance also have their own ports. Solaris 10 [39]offered a choice of three but Solaris 11 has only [40]its own version of Xorg . AIX has [41]AIXwindows with its own X server. [42]HP-UX offers two [PDF], one for HP Visualize graphics cards and another based on XFree86 for other GPUs. Before XFree86 was mature, there were a number of proprietary commercial X11 servers for Linux, such as [43]Metro-X and [44]Xi Accelerated-X .
Windows has its own GUI, of course, but it's been possible to run UNIX binaries on Windows NT ever since the first version, Windows NT 3.1 in 1993 – and since X11 runs over the network, the machine running an X11 app (the "client") can be a different computer to the one displaying the app (the "server"). As such there are multiple X11 servers for Windows, both for local and remote apps. Some are proprietary commercial servers, such as [45]OpenText Exceed , [46]X-Win32 , [47]Netsarang Xmanager , [48]MobaXterm , and [49]X410 , among others. There are also multiple FOSS X servers for Windows, including [50]VCXsrv , [51]Xming [note, HTTP site], and [52]Cygwin/X .
Many of these use code from X.org, but that's the whole point of FOSS. They aren't written by or maintained by X.org, and even if it and all Red Hat staff stop work on X11 completely, that doesn't mean these downstream projects will suddenly cease to exist. In an ideal world, we'd like to see Xenocara and XLibre work together and become a new current FOSS X11 reference implementation, but such mergers are sadly rare. Even so, X11 exists in a much bigger and wider world than just Linux distributions – and even if GNOME and KDE both abandon X11 in a year or two, that still leaves dozens of other desktops that won't. ®
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[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandOnlyGNOME
[3] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-25-10-drops-support-for-gnome-on-xorg/62538
[4] https://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2025/06/10/gnome-systemd-dependencies/
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Re: Stupid
It's completely useless for remote access to systems, and to be honest, Vulkan drivers are the only thing aside from good old stable X11 and OpenGL that interests me, and that is only because of gaming.
I saw no difference in application availability under X11 and Wayland other than a lot of display issues with Wayland.
We never did need Wayland, so with this move, I can now add Gnome, Ubuntu, and Redhat to the list of things I neither need nor want.
Just what IS the Gnome team smoking anyhow?!?!?
If they remove X support from Fedora 43, how will that affect all those other Window managers that are listed as alternatives to gnome? For example, can you still run MATE or xfce on a Fedora 43 that has no X support? I don't think wayland support on either is particularly great if present at all.
As per the article:
"Like any other distro with GNOME 49, the next interim release of Ubuntu will be Wayland-only – at least in its GNOME variant.
This is no big surprise, and it follows both parallel and upstream announcements. Upstream, because GNOME 49 will remove the X11 session, and parallel, because the corresponding release of Red Hat's free community distro, Fedora 43, will also be Wayland-only.
That aside, the new change only applies to the GNOME variants of Ubuntu and Fedora."
Wayland…
Is way away from prime time and stability.
Then again, whatever, stopped using gnome a decade back because it was clear they had lost their way.
Nothing has changed.
Man, I'm surprised and saddened to watch Linux follow Windows down the path of enshittification. First systemd, now wayland.
At least on Linux there's a choice. Don't like Wayland? Use an alternate distro or DE - Linux Mint is still X11 based and has decent enough support lifetimes in line with Ubuntu. Likewise Xubuntu, Lubuntu etc.
That said I'm running Mint Cinnamon 22.1 on a spare tower PC and Ubuntu 24.04 GNOME on my gaming laptop. I can't say I can really tell much difference between Wayland and X11 in my usage (mostly gaming and web browsing). Both are still far, far better than Windows 11 in terms of stability and just staying the hell out of my way to let me do stuff.
Stop with the doom and gloom.
My distro of choice dropped GNOME twenty years ago. It has never used systemd, and wayland is offered only as an option to the default x.org.
Most of us see this forcing of broken-by-design core software more as the enshittification of the RedHat and Debian/Ubuntu branches of distros, not Linux as a whole.
If you don't like what a distro is doing, simply stop using it. There are plenty of others out there.
Devuan and FreeBSD
I just installed Devuan with my default XFCE desktop for the first time today. It is running on a Raspberry Pi 5 with a touch screen. It reminded me of installing eeebuntu on my first eeepc701 all those years ago. Things that were not intuitive (to me at that time) that needed thinking about. Good exercise for my grey matter. The RPi 5 is to become a (d)i(y)-pad when I get round to making a custom case for it. No systemd is a start.
Maybe soon I will have to ditch XFCE for something else as I have seen more and more GNOME UI based utilities creeping into the XFCE desktop which destroy the harmony of my desktop. Or maybe XFCE will end up requiring Wayland at some point in the future if it moves to GTK5. Then what? LXQT? IceWM which was the first alternative desktop I installed on my Xandros powered eeepc 701 in 2008? How life comes back to repeat itself, the spirals that bring us back to where we started.
I have also downloaded FreeBSD which I will try out on my old eeepc 901 which currently runs vanilla debian/XFCE. I will see how far I get with that. Again no systemd but again maybe in the future I will have to use alternatives to XFCE.
Somehow the FOSS world seems to me to be less and less open and friendly than it was. I have a nostalgic feeling that desktop linux peaked around Ubuntu 16.04 and LinuxMint 18. Or maybe that was the last part of my life when it was possible to me to enjoy change that brought obvious benefits. Now it seems that the FOSS world revolves around those personalities blinkered enough to believe that their change is the only way forward and change in any other direction is heresy.
A group of people with the mantra that the competition must not be allowed to compete, the only way forward is for it to be destroyed.
Re: Devuan and FreeBSD
I think you will find that this "group of people" are a company, who do indeed want to gain control of Linux on the desktop and who regard free-thinkers as enemies to be driven out.
For people that like to use RHEL-like distros, Rocky just released (a couple of days ago IIRC) v10 and they do have a KDE iso just if Gnome's not your cup of tea.
Yet another reason to not use GNOME.
I haven't used GNOME in over a decade and stuff like this makes sure I won't ever try unless I am forced to.
The only upside I see to this is that it may increase the urgency to improve Wayland. Other than that, it doesn't affect me. But IBMHat is definitely a force in the Linux distro landscape, as is Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is a bad copy of Debian, it is not an entity of its own. The only reason it exists is to make money for the shareholders of Canonical.
I have seen conversations with people that are very familiar with the X codebase and they were of the opinion then, about 10 years ago, that it was a complete security nightmare that could probably never be fixed completely. They also said that most of those security problems had been known for 20 years, now 30 years, and were as a result of the way it was designed. From that point of view I can absolutely see why they would want to do this. It's also possible that they're sitting on a bombshell CVE that they can't disclose (no knowledge of that here, just speculation).
I've been working with "the X codebase" (whatever the fuck that means!) for about 40 years, quite a bit longer than Linux has existed. If it were a "complete security nightmare" I'm pretty certain I would be aware of it. It's not.
Stop spreading FUD, it's unbecoming.
As for your supposed "bombshell" ... Post proof or retract. But you will not, because you can not. You sure like spreading FUD, don't you?
I current use Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop on X11 but have tried out Gnome running Wayland and that seemed to work absolutely fine as well for the sort of things I used it for. I just wasn't a lover of the interface of Gnome but I never noticed anything 'bad' about Wayland.
So my question is as a average user of Linux whose main uses are web browsing, office software, some retro gaming emulation and a bit of photo editing, is the choice between X11 and Wayland going to make any difference for me?
I as an average Linux user am wondering the same thing. Only bug in Wayland that I have noticed in the 6 months of using Fedora KDE have been that the Wayland icon sometimes randomly gets used by applications, instead of the icon from the application itself. On my laptop running Linux Mint Cinnamon 22.1, I have no such bug but that may be because it is running using X11.
As a fellow Mint user, the general answer is no.
Assuming your Mint version is current, you can actually select Wayland on the logon screen rather than the default X11.
I did a few times, and I came to two conclusions.
First, that Wayland isn't ready yet. It may be better architecturally, more memory efficient, and more secure, but it was still too buggy for daily use, in my experience.
Second, that while applications and most programs weren't affected, things like desklets and applets were, and of course any application that connected with the desktop directly, such as the desktop automation tool [1]autokey wouldn't work.
The main impact will not be the applications, but the desktop. LibreOffice will work fine. But things like onscreen calendars and the like that integrate with the desktop will have to be cleaned up, and some won't be compatible at all.
That's why they're dropping support for X11 specifically in Gnome - it will force the Gnome desktop tool developers to test/update their apps to work on Wayland.
[1] https://github.com/autokey/autokey
To @mark.. I'd say that if you're using Gnome, for your stated use case, you probably won't notice a difference. I was able to get both dwl (along with dwlb) and labwc (along with the alacritty terminal and swaybg) to work on RHEL10 without much trouble. I have a page on it at https://srobb.net/rhel10.html--when I posted that link previously, it got some downvotes because it still, even if not adding Gnome, meant adding a lot of additional packages, but it's still lighter than Gnome, and for those of us who like minimalist-ish window managers, it might be useful--but I'm badly digressing.
For normal everyday use of Gnome with your description, I don't even know if you'll notice a difference.
Stupid
Wayland is still like a beta.
Well, Gnome got a bit stupid years ago.