Mozilla is rolling Thundermail, a Gmail, Office 365 rival
(2025/04/02)
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Thunderbird, Firefox maker Mozilla's open-source email client, is aiming to reinvent itself as a more comprehensive communications platform.
Toward that end, the development team is in the process of rolling out a set of adjacent services, some of which may eventually bring in revenue.
The storm bird's ecosystem expansion campaign represents an effort to counter the gravitational pull of commercial services including Google's Gmail and Microsoft Office 365, which have been peeling off Thunderbird users bit by bit.
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"Thunderbird loses users each day to rich ecosystems that are both clients and services, such as Gmail and Office 365," explained Ryan Sipes, managing director of product at Thunderbird, in [2]a planning note last week for the development community.
Thunderbird loses users each day to rich ecosystems that are both clients and services, such as Gmail and Office365
"These ecosystems have both hard vendor lock-ins (through interoperability issues with 3rd-party clients) and soft lock-ins (through convenience and integration between their clients and services). It is our goal to eventually have a similar offering so that a 100 percent open source, freedom-respecting alternative ecosystem is available for those who want it."
Those losses aren't easy to measure since Mozilla does not publish user numbers for Thunderbird. But [3]monthly active installations have dipped from 17,706,777 on December 27, 2020 to 16,174,806 on March 30, 2025.
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To bulk up and battle the behemoths, the Thunderbird team, which continues to [6]operate under the Mozilla Foundation umbrella, is developing a set of web services - some branded as "Thunderbird Pro," alongside "Thundermail" - each in various stages of maturity:
[7]Thunderbird Appointment , a scheduling tool that lets users share a link so others can book time on their calendars.
[8]Thunderbird Send , a rebuilt version of the [9]discontinued Firefox Send service from 2019, rewritten to support more direct and flexible file sharing.
Thunderbird Assist, an unreleased optional AI service that will support local inference, hardware permitting, or privacy-focused cloud inference through partner [10]Flower Labs .
[11]Thundermail , an email hosting service based on the [12]Stalwart stack, to complement the Thunderbird client. Stalwart supports JMAP (JSON Meta Application Protocol), intended as a successor to IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol).
Sipes says such services can be costly to run, so some folks will have to pay – a source of likely delight for Mozilla as it contemplates how it may have to replace [13]the millions it receives from Google if the US government's Chrome-busting antitrust remedy is approved by the court.
[14]Essential FOSS tools to make macOS suck less
[15]Mozilla Foundation crumbles as third of staff cast off
[16]Thunderbird for Android is go – at least the beta is
[17]Thunderbird is go: 128 now out with revamped 'Nebula' UI
"At the beginning, we plan to offer these services for free to consistent community contributors," said Sipes. "Other users will have to pay for access. Once we have a strong enough user base that the services appear to be sustainable, we will open up free tiers with limitations, such as less storage or the like – depending on the service."
Users also have the option to host some of these services, such as Appointment and Send, themselves.
Limits on free services like file sharing are necessary, Sipes observes, to prevent abuse.
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"Thunderbird is unique in the world," said Sipes. "Our focus on open source, open standards, privacy and respect for our users is something that should be expressed in multiple forms. The absence of web services from us means that our users must make compromises that are often uncomfortable ones. This is how we correct that." ®
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[7] https://appointment.day/
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[15] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/06/mozilla_foundation_layoffs/
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Toward that end, the development team is in the process of rolling out a set of adjacent services, some of which may eventually bring in revenue.
The storm bird's ecosystem expansion campaign represents an effort to counter the gravitational pull of commercial services including Google's Gmail and Microsoft Office 365, which have been peeling off Thunderbird users bit by bit.
[1]
"Thunderbird loses users each day to rich ecosystems that are both clients and services, such as Gmail and Office 365," explained Ryan Sipes, managing director of product at Thunderbird, in [2]a planning note last week for the development community.
Thunderbird loses users each day to rich ecosystems that are both clients and services, such as Gmail and Office365
"These ecosystems have both hard vendor lock-ins (through interoperability issues with 3rd-party clients) and soft lock-ins (through convenience and integration between their clients and services). It is our goal to eventually have a similar offering so that a 100 percent open source, freedom-respecting alternative ecosystem is available for those who want it."
Those losses aren't easy to measure since Mozilla does not publish user numbers for Thunderbird. But [3]monthly active installations have dipped from 17,706,777 on December 27, 2020 to 16,174,806 on March 30, 2025.
[4]
[5]
To bulk up and battle the behemoths, the Thunderbird team, which continues to [6]operate under the Mozilla Foundation umbrella, is developing a set of web services - some branded as "Thunderbird Pro," alongside "Thundermail" - each in various stages of maturity:
[7]Thunderbird Appointment , a scheduling tool that lets users share a link so others can book time on their calendars.
[8]Thunderbird Send , a rebuilt version of the [9]discontinued Firefox Send service from 2019, rewritten to support more direct and flexible file sharing.
Thunderbird Assist, an unreleased optional AI service that will support local inference, hardware permitting, or privacy-focused cloud inference through partner [10]Flower Labs .
[11]Thundermail , an email hosting service based on the [12]Stalwart stack, to complement the Thunderbird client. Stalwart supports JMAP (JSON Meta Application Protocol), intended as a successor to IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol).
Sipes says such services can be costly to run, so some folks will have to pay – a source of likely delight for Mozilla as it contemplates how it may have to replace [13]the millions it receives from Google if the US government's Chrome-busting antitrust remedy is approved by the court.
[14]Essential FOSS tools to make macOS suck less
[15]Mozilla Foundation crumbles as third of staff cast off
[16]Thunderbird for Android is go – at least the beta is
[17]Thunderbird is go: 128 now out with revamped 'Nebula' UI
"At the beginning, we plan to offer these services for free to consistent community contributors," said Sipes. "Other users will have to pay for access. Once we have a strong enough user base that the services appear to be sustainable, we will open up free tiers with limitations, such as less storage or the like – depending on the service."
Users also have the option to host some of these services, such as Appointment and Send, themselves.
Limits on free services like file sharing are necessary, Sipes observes, to prevent abuse.
[18]
"Thunderbird is unique in the world," said Sipes. "Our focus on open source, open standards, privacy and respect for our users is something that should be expressed in multiple forms. The absence of web services from us means that our users must make compromises that are often uncomfortable ones. This is how we correct that." ®
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[6] https://www.theregister.com/2020/01/30/mozilla_thunderbird_has_a_new_nest/
[7] https://appointment.day/
[8] https://github.com/thunderbird/send-suite
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2019/03/13/mozilla_send_/
[10] https://flower.ai/
[11] https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/planning/T437cd854afcb1395
[12] https://stalw.art/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/12/mozilla_doj_google_search_payments/
[14] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/07/fosss_to_tame_macos/
[15] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/06/mozilla_foundation_layoffs/
[16] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/09/thunderbird_for_android_beta/
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I started with Samna, an AT&T favorite, very 1990. I've been solidly Netscape since Communicator and Navigator. OK, 18 months off with The Bat! for its IMAP handling (favored by my netops guru) until it was getting falsely blacklisted. So 25 years in NetScape/Thunderbird?
However Samna, NetScape, The Bat! , and Thunderbird all seemed/seem to be bug hangouts. Flawed and it seems nobody cares. Email is losing ground and boring awkward interfaces are part of that.
cheers
I was a totally happy Thunderbird user for years and years and years for personal email. Now I'm a happy Proton Mail user. Not sure what Mozilla could do to pry me away.
I was spoiled with Lotus Notes email for most of my work life. I considered Outlook a steaming pile of burnt garbage that I wouldn't touch with someone else's barge pole. Gmail was like Hotmail or any of the hundreds of other free webmail accounts that have been available over the decades, and I always snickered at anyone who used any of them for anything serious. These days I guess I am behind the times as they have pretty much taken over.
Loved Thunderbird, overjoyed that it still survives, hope it never dies. Would be happy to try out anything they come up with even just for nostalgia.