Political poker? Tariff hunger games? Trump creates havoc for PC industry
(2025/03/19)
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Comment US President Donald Trump's "volatile trade policies" are creating uncertainty among suppliers of computers and among biz customers looking to use budgets wisely amid a game of on-and-off Oval Office tariffs.
The taxes levied by the US administration on China and Mexico are going to hit Americans in the pocket, with some estimates that the cost of PCs are set up shoot up by [1]as high as 68 percent .
Tech titans hide in shadows awaiting Trump tariff threats [2]READ MORE
The majority of these devices sold stateside are produced in mainland China, which was hit by an [3]extra 10 percent Trump tariff on Monday, March 3 . HP, Lenovo, Dell and others also manufacture PCs in Mexico, a country hit with a 25 percent import duty from Team Trump on the same day, only for it to be delayed by a month on Tuesday, March 4. Canada is facing the same threat.
"President Trump's ongoing trade war with Canada, Mexico, and China has had swift negative repercussions for the stock market and pushed the US GDP growth forecast for Q1 2025 into negative territory," said Canalys analyst Greg Davis.
"In addition to the direct impact of tariffs, the stop-start nature of announcements and delays have cast uncertainty around pricing for consumer electronics this year. The tariffs have prompted mitigating actions across the PC industry, with vendors and channel partners engaging in some recent stockpiling of devices."
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A survey of US computer distributors and resellers by Canalys indicates that 50 percent had upped PC inventory to five weeks or more in January versus 29 percent in November, when the new US president was elected.
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The channel - the term for companies operating in the supply chain - typically prefers to hold less kit in warehouses, because devices age and cost money to discount if they don't sell. Likewise, it's clear - if Canalys is correct - that suppliers spotted a prospective commercial benefit in hiking stocks when [7]talk of tariffs began in November .
Gartner forecast 2025 to be a "very dynamic market" as tariffs - described by Trump as "the most beautiful word in the dictionary" - whip IT buyers into a "frantic state of concern." Distinguished VP John David Lovelock [8]told us previously he expects uncertainty to linger throughout the year.
[9]HPE revenue outlook feels the thump of Trump tariffs
[10]TSMC promises $100B US expansion that Trump hails without clarifying chip tariff threat
[11]Microsoft unveils finalized EU Data Boundary as European doubt over US grows
[12]Profit slide at HP can only mean one thing: Hammer time
"At a certain point, it won't matter because budgets are budgets, and budgets have been set, and CIOs will spend their budget. What becomes the open question is how much value will they get? Because if I have to pay 25 percent more for my PCs, I'm still going to spend my PC budget, I'm just going to have fewer new PCs.
"So, in one sense, it doesn't matter if the forecast is the forecast because it's based on budgets, expectations and market mechanics. On the other hand, it matters very much to who's going to be able to make that money and how much value CIOs will be able to extract for their dollars," he said.
Trump's tariffs, cuts may well put tech in a chokehold, say analysts [13]READ MORE
Canalys estimates that PC shipments in the US totalled 17.7 million in calendar Q4, up 6 percent year-on-year. It projects that unit sales into the channel will fall just shy of 2 percent growth in 2025 and 2026, "hovering between 70 to 72 million units each year."
Reg readers obviously don't care how big the PC market grows or shrinks by, unless they work at the PC vendors or channel suppliers. All do care if they get stung in the wallet by Trump tariffs, however. Inflation in the PC industry is unlikely to lead to a surge of demand, especially for AI PCs, which already cost significantly more than the average priced bog-standard non-AI notebook.
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Still, PC makers can surely cling to the boon that is Windows 11 migration? That's not a certainty, according to Davis at Canalys. He described this refresh cycle as "fertile ground for Apple to target both consumers and businesses that may be open to switching operating systems."
Davis points to Apple growing Mac sales by almost 26 percent during Q4 in the US to 3 million units. This can be compared with a 3.6 percent decline by market leader HP (4.495 million units), and 2.4 percent shrinkage by Dell (3.679 million units).
"Historically, manageability and compatibility issues were highlighted as reasons for larger commercial customers to eschew Apple products. However, many of those issues have been addressed by Apple, and along with more competitive pricing… 2025 is set to see Mac make market share gains within the commercial segment."
Acer signals 10% laptop price hike in US, blames Trump's extra China tariff [15]READ MORE
Apple Macs are primarily built in China, though some models are assembled in Taiwan and on home soil. Apple pledged last month to spend $500 billion over the next four years on upping R&D, AI development, and chip manufacturing in the US, yet it did not commit to making more Macs in the country itself, so that tech will not be immune to Trump tariffs anytime soon.
As for the man in the White House who is parking his economic tanks on the lawns of neighbours and arch enemy China, Trump says he is trying to bring manufacturing home to the US and seems to be gambling that short-term pain will be a long-term gain.
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Or maybe - as seems likely - he isn't even thinking that far into the future and is simply using tariffs as a mechanism to negotiate with friends and enemies, with the American public caught somewhere in the middle of this game of political poker.
It is also possible Trump - the Hokey Pokey Potus - will reverse-ferret and cut the tariffs. They might not seem so beautiful if the economy tanks, the cost of living soars, and MAGA becomes Make America Grab All-it-can. ®
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[2] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/03/tech_titans_hide_in_shadows/
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[8] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/21/cio_value_budget_tariffs/
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[10] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/04/tsmc_trump_arizona_investment/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/03/microsoft_unveils_a_finalized_eu/
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The taxes levied by the US administration on China and Mexico are going to hit Americans in the pocket, with some estimates that the cost of PCs are set up shoot up by [1]as high as 68 percent .
Tech titans hide in shadows awaiting Trump tariff threats [2]READ MORE
The majority of these devices sold stateside are produced in mainland China, which was hit by an [3]extra 10 percent Trump tariff on Monday, March 3 . HP, Lenovo, Dell and others also manufacture PCs in Mexico, a country hit with a 25 percent import duty from Team Trump on the same day, only for it to be delayed by a month on Tuesday, March 4. Canada is facing the same threat.
"President Trump's ongoing trade war with Canada, Mexico, and China has had swift negative repercussions for the stock market and pushed the US GDP growth forecast for Q1 2025 into negative territory," said Canalys analyst Greg Davis.
"In addition to the direct impact of tariffs, the stop-start nature of announcements and delays have cast uncertainty around pricing for consumer electronics this year. The tariffs have prompted mitigating actions across the PC industry, with vendors and channel partners engaging in some recent stockpiling of devices."
[4]
A survey of US computer distributors and resellers by Canalys indicates that 50 percent had upped PC inventory to five weeks or more in January versus 29 percent in November, when the new US president was elected.
[5]
[6]
The channel - the term for companies operating in the supply chain - typically prefers to hold less kit in warehouses, because devices age and cost money to discount if they don't sell. Likewise, it's clear - if Canalys is correct - that suppliers spotted a prospective commercial benefit in hiking stocks when [7]talk of tariffs began in November .
Gartner forecast 2025 to be a "very dynamic market" as tariffs - described by Trump as "the most beautiful word in the dictionary" - whip IT buyers into a "frantic state of concern." Distinguished VP John David Lovelock [8]told us previously he expects uncertainty to linger throughout the year.
[9]HPE revenue outlook feels the thump of Trump tariffs
[10]TSMC promises $100B US expansion that Trump hails without clarifying chip tariff threat
[11]Microsoft unveils finalized EU Data Boundary as European doubt over US grows
[12]Profit slide at HP can only mean one thing: Hammer time
"At a certain point, it won't matter because budgets are budgets, and budgets have been set, and CIOs will spend their budget. What becomes the open question is how much value will they get? Because if I have to pay 25 percent more for my PCs, I'm still going to spend my PC budget, I'm just going to have fewer new PCs.
"So, in one sense, it doesn't matter if the forecast is the forecast because it's based on budgets, expectations and market mechanics. On the other hand, it matters very much to who's going to be able to make that money and how much value CIOs will be able to extract for their dollars," he said.
Trump's tariffs, cuts may well put tech in a chokehold, say analysts [13]READ MORE
Canalys estimates that PC shipments in the US totalled 17.7 million in calendar Q4, up 6 percent year-on-year. It projects that unit sales into the channel will fall just shy of 2 percent growth in 2025 and 2026, "hovering between 70 to 72 million units each year."
Reg readers obviously don't care how big the PC market grows or shrinks by, unless they work at the PC vendors or channel suppliers. All do care if they get stung in the wallet by Trump tariffs, however. Inflation in the PC industry is unlikely to lead to a surge of demand, especially for AI PCs, which already cost significantly more than the average priced bog-standard non-AI notebook.
[14]
Still, PC makers can surely cling to the boon that is Windows 11 migration? That's not a certainty, according to Davis at Canalys. He described this refresh cycle as "fertile ground for Apple to target both consumers and businesses that may be open to switching operating systems."
Davis points to Apple growing Mac sales by almost 26 percent during Q4 in the US to 3 million units. This can be compared with a 3.6 percent decline by market leader HP (4.495 million units), and 2.4 percent shrinkage by Dell (3.679 million units).
"Historically, manageability and compatibility issues were highlighted as reasons for larger commercial customers to eschew Apple products. However, many of those issues have been addressed by Apple, and along with more competitive pricing… 2025 is set to see Mac make market share gains within the commercial segment."
Acer signals 10% laptop price hike in US, blames Trump's extra China tariff [15]READ MORE
Apple Macs are primarily built in China, though some models are assembled in Taiwan and on home soil. Apple pledged last month to spend $500 billion over the next four years on upping R&D, AI development, and chip manufacturing in the US, yet it did not commit to making more Macs in the country itself, so that tech will not be immune to Trump tariffs anytime soon.
As for the man in the White House who is parking his economic tanks on the lawns of neighbours and arch enemy China, Trump says he is trying to bring manufacturing home to the US and seems to be gambling that short-term pain will be a long-term gain.
[16]
Or maybe - as seems likely - he isn't even thinking that far into the future and is simply using tariffs as a mechanism to negotiate with friends and enemies, with the American public caught somewhere in the middle of this game of political poker.
It is also possible Trump - the Hokey Pokey Potus - will reverse-ferret and cut the tariffs. They might not seem so beautiful if the economy tanks, the cost of living soars, and MAGA becomes Make America Grab All-it-can. ®
Get our [17]Tech Resources
[1] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/07/trumps_tariff_electronics_prices/
[2] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/03/tech_titans_hide_in_shadows/
[3] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/03/trump_tariffs_stock_market_reaction/
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[7] https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/26/trump_tariffs_mexico_canada/
[8] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/21/cio_value_budget_tariffs/
[9] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/07/hpe_q1_2025/
[10] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/04/tsmc_trump_arizona_investment/
[11] https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/03/microsoft_unveils_a_finalized_eu/
[12] https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/28/hp_cuts_jobs_as_profits_slide/
[13] https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/31/trump_policies_painting_global_tech/
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Re: "President Trump's ongoing trade war ..."
Dan 55
When making up complete bullshit, it always helps to manufacture a grievance, play the victim, and blame someone else.
Re: "President Trump's ongoing trade war ..."
MiguelC
Unfortunately, the weapon of choice for shooting herself ('wink) in the foot was a hand grenade, causing collateral damage to others...
Re: "President Trump's ongoing trade war ..."
Doctor Syntax
Regret only one upvote although the last bit deserves a second.
Bring
Boris the Cockroach
manufacturing back home?
Guess who exported it in the first place.. and more to the point.
When it comes home, whos going to be doing it?
If the company I attend can produce more with 18 people spread across 2 or 3 shifts than we ever could 30 yrs ago with 55 people, no jobs will be created apart from a very few highly skilled ones.
The rest of manufacturing is like that too... eg steel roll mill... 6-8 people per shift where before it was 100.... etc etc etc
Those manufacturing jobs are GONE. why employ 6 people and 4 machines to make something that takes a barely attended robotic cell to make better and quicker?
Re: Bring
Doctor Syntax
Possibly a screwdriver operation - buy in the components, stamp cases out of tariffed Canadian steel and assemble them. It might save a few pennies, more if the buffoon can be persuaded to make an allowance for components bought in for "USA-built" products.
all hail
razza de azzer
The king of kings: The Donald
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Doctor Syntax
There's an opportunity for Microsoft to take advantage: extended support for W10 on subscription for about 4 years. Provided its cheaper than replacing the PC but brings in more than an OEM licence would they're quids in - OK, dollars in. It amounts to throwing their H/W mates under a bus but Trump's doing that anyway and it gets the punters used to Windows by subscription in time for W12. From their PoV, what's not to like?
"President Trump's ongoing trade war ..."
I see this term quite often but as Trump is unilaterally (for the most part) imposing extra taxes and restrictions on his own people who, we must remember, voted him in to do this stuff, how is that a war?
Is it not more of a drive-by-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot?