CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
([Distributions] Dec 8, 2020 15:29 UTC (Tue) (corbet))
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Red Hat has [1]announced an end to the CentOS distribution as we know it. CentOS will be replaced by "CentOS Stream", which looks like a sort of beta test for changes going into Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Support for CentOS 7 will continue as scheduled, but support for CentOS 8 will go away at the end of 2021. " When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases. If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options. "
More information can be found in [2]this FAQ . " CentOS Stream will be getting fixes and features ahead of RHEL. Generally speaking, we expect CentOS Stream to have fewer bugs and more runtime features than RHEL until those packages make it into the RHEL release. "
Update : see also [3]this blog post from Chris Wright.
[1] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
[2] https://centos.org/distro-faq/
[3] https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
More information can be found in [2]this FAQ . " CentOS Stream will be getting fixes and features ahead of RHEL. Generally speaking, we expect CentOS Stream to have fewer bugs and more runtime features than RHEL until those packages make it into the RHEL release. "
Update : see also [3]this blog post from Chris Wright.
[1] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
[2] https://centos.org/distro-faq/
[3] https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux
CentOS Stream and Fedora
If you have any Fedora Project related questions about this, AMA!
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CentOS Stream and Fedora
If you have any Fedora Project related questions about this, AMA!
(I can also answer non-Fedora questions but with varying degrees of authority.)
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
So where do I go when I want a long supported stable distro that does not change a lot without paying?
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
Ubuntu LTS, I guess. There is not an awful lot of choice.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
Ubuntu LTS, I guess. There is not an awful lot of choice.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
For many use cases, RHEL. See particularly [1]this part of the FAQ :
> In the first half of 2021, we will be introducing low- or no-cost programs for a variety of use cases, including options for open source projects and communities, partner ecosystems and an expansion of the use cases of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Developer subscription to better serve the needs of systems administrators and partner developers. We’ll share more details on these initiatives as they become available.
[1] https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
Not for my use case I guess and I don't trust IBM/Red Hat anymore so they cannot convince me to use and depend on RHEL.
They still say CentOS 8 would be supported until 2029: [1]https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos
"Release Release date End of life "
"CentOS 8 September 24, 2019 May 31, 2029"
And it still calls itself: The CentOS Linux distribution is a stable, predictable, manageable and
reproducible platform derived from the sources of Red Hat Enterprise Linux
(RHEL).
I thought it was a real community that you could rely on. I guess it just some IBM drones now.
[1] https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
Not for my use case I guess and I don't trust IBM/Red Hat anymore so they cannot convince me to use and depend on RHEL.
They still say CentOS 8 would be supported until 2029: [1]https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos
"Release Release date End of life "
"CentOS 8 September 24, 2019 May 31, 2029"
And it still calls itself: The CentOS Linux distribution is a stable, predictable, manageable and
reproducible platform derived from the sources of Red Hat Enterprise Linux
(RHEL).
I thought it was a real community that you could rely on. I guess it just some IBM drones now.
[1] https://endoflife.software/operating-systems/linux/centos
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
That’s exactly what I was going to say. I’m not going to trust any “low- or no-cost program” to exist one minute longer than the moment they decide it’s not convenient anymore.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
That’s exactly what I was going to say. I’m not going to trust any “low- or no-cost program” to exist one minute longer than the moment they decide it’s not convenient anymore.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
Debian + Debian LTS ?
(afraid to be stating the obvious…)
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
It sounds to me that CentOS Stream will provide a long supported stable distribution just as CentOS does now. Some fixes and updates will move faster than RHEL, but that by no means implies the distribution will become a churning mess. Since in principle any fix that goes into CentOS Stream is slated for inclusion in RHEL later.
I think that the rebranding adds just the right amount of FUD for some corporate types to start paying for a RHEL subscription. I don't think it necessarily makes much difference in the real world. But then, personally I would be quite happy to run Fedora on production servers and rebuild them every six months, on a "cattle, not pets" basis.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
openSUSE Leap is another option.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
I also second openSUSE. It's pretty stable and comes in both rolling release and stable release flavors. And I am a big fan of their open build service. Debian LTS is definitely a good choice.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
I also second openSUSE. It's pretty stable and comes in both rolling release and stable release flavors. And I am a big fan of their open build service. Debian LTS is definitely a good choice.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
Behind a truly astonishing wall of corporate-speak, what's clear is that the beancounters, having seven years ago "embraced" CentOS, now need to extinguish it in the belief it is an intolerable drag on subscriptions.
I wonder whether they'll add additional poison pills in an attempt to keep the community from forming another?
Fortunately, having seen the writing on the wall when Redhat played this theme with variations the first time in discontinuing Redhat Linux after release 9 in favor of "Fedora," I jumped ship in 2003 to Debian Woody and have never looked back.
CentOS is dead, long live CentOS Stream
All you need to know, from blog post:
"Given this, we’ve informed the CentOS Project Governing Board that we are shifting our investment fully from CentOS Linux to CentOS Stream."
The Governing Board is not. The community is IBM.